Hendry's Failures...

[Scarey]

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Interesting. Do you think any GM (sabre-minded or not) would trade 2008 Marmol for 2008 Marquis, straight up? Remove salary from the equation.

I'm thinking not, but I suppose I could be wrong.

Sort of makes me question the value of WAR as a metric...
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They might. You'd have to ask them. Is 87 innings of really good pitching more valuable to a team over the course of a season than 166 innings of decent pitching ? I don't think the answer is as clear cut as you do.
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I'll start making some calls.

How about this. Would <b>you</b> trade 2008 Marmol for 2008 Marquis, straight up? Remove salary and age from the equation.
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I'll say no. But I don't think it invalidates the concept of WAR.
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IMO, that question is completely unrelated to WAR and it's value.

Marquis provided more value for the 2008 Cubs in his contribution. However, there's plenty of pitchers that could have provided an equal or better contribution. There's very few if any pitchers that did what Marmol did for the Cubs that year.