Fire Lou

[Mikey]

i think Aramis is the cubs biggest problem.

[satchel]

<!--quoteo(post=98981:date=May 29 2010, 09:16 AM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ May 29 2010, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The fact that Lou had to be told that Theriot has only taken one walk in the last month says everything you need to know about Lou. I feel like he he's already retired and he just doesn't know it yet. And as much as BT tries to defend it, the Zambrano debacle was just brutal.

I liked the Lou hire when it happened, not because I thought his in-game/strategy/motivational skills were spectacular, but because I thought he was gonna bring a little fire, hold players accountable, show some emotion.....all the things Dusty didn't do, and in that department, he's been a major disappointment. He's just a dottering old fool now. Time to go.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
+1, his lineup decisions, bullpen management and in game decisions have been terrible...

I dont care if he is fired really, maybe that will wake the team until a proper replacement is found...

[veryzer]

Lou was genuinely shocked when told Theriot has only taken one walk. He was flabbergasted. He had no idea.

Knee jerk reactions? waiting things out? Seriously? Do me a favour and tell that to Lou. You're venting against the wrong people.

[jstraw]

<!--quoteo(post=99030:date=May 29 2010, 03:53 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ May 29 2010, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Lou was genuinely shocked when told Theriot has only taken one walk. He was flabbergasted. He had no idea.

Knee jerk reactions? waiting things out? Seriously? Do me a favour and tell that to Lou. You're venting against the wrong people.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He did a spit-take. I was there.

[kbwsb]

Here's why I agree with Ruby about Lou being our biggest problem, and not Aramis. I think we all kind of mean "fixable" problem.
Aramis can't be fixed, per se. Good hitters go into slumps, sometimes, real long ones. We already employ the most respected and expensive hitting coach in the game.
Plus he has a thumb injury.

OTOH, the Lou problem can be fixed in one freaking day.

And don't anyone belittle it...he's a BIG problem.

[Mikey]

Is his thumb affecting his running, too?

[jstraw]

Dempster serving Pujols meatballs and he's at the plate in the bottom of the fifth?

Fire Piniella.

[BT]

Isn't it incredible how EVERY manager we get doesn't know how to manage a team? Isn't it unbelievable that everyone on this board knows how to fill out a lineup better than whomever is currently managing the Cubs? Isn't it shocking that everyone on this board know how to manipulate the bullpen better than the guy currently in charge? Doesn't it seem absurd that we all know the Cubs personnel better than the guy who spends 2/3rds of every day with those guys?

One thing is for sure. Whomever the next guy the Cubs hire is, he will be a great manager, and I'm certain we will all be happy with his moves, even if the players suck cock and don't perform. It's just GOT to be a coincidence that Pinella, Baker, Baylor, Riggleman, Trebelhorn, and Lefebvre all were complete morons who didn't know half as much as the guys on this board. Or as much as every genius who calls in to the Score every day. The Cubs just haven't hired the right guy yet. Clearly, a good manager would know how to turn the fact that our best hitter is "slugging" .272 into a mere footnote.

And remember, anyone tells you any different, they are just "pro-management".

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=99207:date=May 30 2010, 10:23 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ May 30 2010, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Isn't it incredible how EVERY manager we get doesn't know how to manage a team? Isn't it unbelievable that everyone on this board knows how to fill out a lineup better than whomever is currently managing the Cubs? Isn't it shocking that everyone on this board know how to manipulate the bullpen better than the guy currently in charge? Doesn't it seem absurd that we all know the Cubs personnel better than the guy who spends 2/3rds of every day with those guys?

One thing is for sure. Whomever the next guy the Cubs hire is, he will be a great manager, and I'm certain we will all be happy with his moves, even if the players suck cock and don't perform. It's just GOT to be a coincidence that Pinella, Baker, Baylor, Riggleman, Trebelhorn, and Lefebvre all were complete morons who didn't know half as much as the guys on this board. Or as much as every genius who calls in to the Score every day. The Cubs just haven't hired the right guy yet. Clearly, a good manager would know how to turn the fact that our best hitter is "slugging" .272 into a mere footnote.

And remember, anyone tells you any different, they are just "pro-management".<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Longest non-sequitur ever (and you're not wrong; I've thought the same thing).

Do you want Lou Piniella to continue to be the manager of THIS team in 2010? That's the only question in this thread.

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=99208:date=May 30 2010, 09:27 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ May 30 2010, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=99207:date=May 30 2010, 10:23 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 30 2010, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Isn't it incredible how EVERY manager we get doesn't know how to manage a team? Isn't it unbelievable that everyone on this board knows how to fill out a lineup better than whomever is currently managing the Cubs? Isn't it shocking that everyone on this board know how to manipulate the bullpen better than the guy currently in charge? Doesn't it seem absurd that we all know the Cubs personnel better than the guy who spends 2/3rds of every day with those guys?

One thing is for sure. Whomever the next guy the Cubs hire is, he will be a great manager, and I'm certain we will all be happy with his moves, even if the players suck cock and don't perform. It's just GOT to be a coincidence that Pinella, Baker, Baylor, Riggleman, Trebelhorn, and Lefebvre all were complete morons who didn't know half as much as the guys on this board. Or as much as every genius who calls in to the Score every day. The Cubs just haven't hired the right guy yet. Clearly, a good manager would know how to turn the fact that our best hitter is "slugging" .272 into a mere footnote.

And remember, anyone tells you any different, they are just "pro-management".<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Longest non-sequitur ever (and you're not wrong; I've thought the same thing).

Do you want Lou Piniella to continue to be the manager of THIS team in 2010? That's the only question in this thread.
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I guess we will agree to disagree on the idea that there is only one question in this thread, but if I'm only allowed to answer that one question, I'll hedge by saying that while I wouldn't be crushed if Lou got fired, I think "managerial decisions" are pretty far down the list of problems with this team, well after "corner men hitting like women" and "bullpen pitching underhanded".

[Lance]

<!--quoteo(post=99208:date=May 30 2010, 10:27 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ May 30 2010, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=99207:date=May 30 2010, 10:23 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 30 2010, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Isn't it incredible how EVERY manager we get doesn't know how to manage a team? Isn't it unbelievable that everyone on this board knows how to fill out a lineup better than whomever is currently managing the Cubs? Isn't it shocking that everyone on this board know how to manipulate the bullpen better than the guy currently in charge? Doesn't it seem absurd that we all know the Cubs personnel better than the guy who spends 2/3rds of every day with those guys?

One thing is for sure. Whomever the next guy the Cubs hire is, he will be a great manager, and I'm certain we will all be happy with his moves, even if the players suck cock and don't perform. It's just GOT to be a coincidence that Pinella, Baker, Baylor, Riggleman, Trebelhorn, and Lefebvre all were complete morons who didn't know half as much as the guys on this board. Or as much as every genius who calls in to the Score every day. The Cubs just haven't hired the right guy yet. Clearly, a good manager would know how to turn the fact that our best hitter is "slugging" .272 into a mere footnote.

And remember, anyone tells you any different, they are just "pro-management".<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Longest non-sequitur ever (and you're not wrong; I've thought the same thing).

Do you want Lou Piniella to continue to be the manager of THIS team in 2010? That's the only question in this thread.
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No. I think Lou is tired. Funny story, but perhaps a nother non-sequitur. My son's middle school baseball team was probably the worst team I've ever witnessed. They lost every game by at least 20+ runs. We were chatting on our 3.5 hour drive today home from a travel basketball tournament. He was saying that the coaches, well, sucked. I told him that it wouldn't matter if Joe Torre, Lou Pinella, or Connie Mack were managing, they would still lose every game by 20 runs because they couldn't hit, run, pitch or field. He sort of agreed.

[mindbodyspirit]

<!--quoteo(post=99211:date=May 30 2010, 09:40 PM:name=Lance)-->QUOTE (Lance @ May 30 2010, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=99208:date=May 30 2010, 10:27 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ May 30 2010, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=99207:date=May 30 2010, 10:23 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 30 2010, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Isn't it incredible how EVERY manager we get doesn't know how to manage a team? Isn't it unbelievable that everyone on this board knows how to fill out a lineup better than whomever is currently managing the Cubs? Isn't it shocking that everyone on this board know how to manipulate the bullpen better than the guy currently in charge? Doesn't it seem absurd that we all know the Cubs personnel better than the guy who spends 2/3rds of every day with those guys?

One thing is for sure. Whomever the next guy the Cubs hire is, he will be a great manager, and I'm certain we will all be happy with his moves, even if the players suck cock and don't perform. It's just GOT to be a coincidence that Pinella, Baker, Baylor, Riggleman, Trebelhorn, and Lefebvre all were complete morons who didn't know half as much as the guys on this board. Or as much as every genius who calls in to the Score every day. The Cubs just haven't hired the right guy yet. Clearly, a good manager would know how to turn the fact that our best hitter is "slugging" .272 into a mere footnote.

And remember, anyone tells you any different, they are just "pro-management".<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Longest non-sequitur ever (and you're not wrong; I've thought the same thing).

Do you want Lou Piniella to continue to be the manager of THIS team in 2010? That's the only question in this thread.
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No. I think Lou is tired. Funny story, but perhaps a nother non-sequitur. My son's middle school baseball team was probably the worst team I've ever witnessed. They lost every game by at least 20+ runs. We were chatting on our 3.5 hour drive today home from a travel basketball tournament. He was saying that the coaches, well, sucked. I told him that it wouldn't matter if Joe Torre, Lou Pinella, or Connie Mack were managing, they would still lose every game by 20 runs because they couldn't hit, run, pitch or field. He sort of agreed.
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If Lee and ARAM were hitting their career averages or higher, we'd be about 5-7 games over .500 (if not better). IF lee and ARAM were hitting and Grabow wasn't on the team, we'd be a couple games better than that. While Lou fills out the line-up cards and Lou is the one who keeps giving Grabow the ball (moron), he's not responsible for $33M+ worth of 3 players not doing their jobs. If these 3 guys were executing, this thread wouldn't exist.

Lou hasn't had a great season managing thus far, but he's not the reason Lee and ARAM leave guys on base like they're getting bonus points for doing so.

[rok]

Whether you are satisfied with Lou's in-game management or not over the past 2 seasons, even his long-time supporters would have to acknowledge that he seems disinterested and overwhelmed by just about every obstacle he's encountered for quite some time. What kind of confidence could that possibly inspire in a team? If anything, his general demeanor and the impression that he has been "out to lunch" since the 2008 playoffs should cost him his job, but it won't. If it hasn't by now, it never will.

[veryzer]

<!--quoteo(post=99223:date=May 30 2010, 11:23 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ May 30 2010, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Whether you are satisfied with Lou's in-game management or not over the past 2 seasons, even his long-time supporters would have to acknowledge that he seems disinterested and overwhelmed by just about every obstacle he's encountered for quite some time. What kind of confidence could that possibly inspire in a team? If anything, his general demeanor and the impression that he has been "out to lunch" since the 2008 playoffs should cost him his job, but it won't. If it hasn't by now, it never will.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


This.

[kbwsb]

I agree with rok and tom.