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The Cubs staff made their 2nd round of "cuts" yesterday, and I was a bit perplexed by a couple of articles on cubs.com yesterday, having to do with who was left/who was optioned.
The article that talked about who was optioned/cut yeterday said there was 42 players remaining at big league camp at the start of yesterday. Maybe this is a stupid question, but does that mean the staff only has 2 more players to cut in order to have a 40 man roster? Or, does the staff still have to cut down to 25 players from the 42 that are left now?
Also, the other article I didn't quite understand was the one talking about Jeff Gray running out of time to make it onto the roster when camp breaks (which in all likelihood will not happen due to his injury). In this article, they said there is realistically only 1 spot left in the Cubs bullpen, but I don't see how that is possible...I see there being 2 spots realisticaly open in the bullpen. The Cubs are going to start the season with 12 pitchers. 5 from the rotation. 2 pitchers (out of Gorzelanny, Silva, Marshall, Samardjiza) will be sent to the bullpen, so thats 7. Then there is the certain locks for the bullpen: Marmol, Grabow, Caridad..thats 10. That, in my opinion, leaves 2 spots open for the bullpen. Unless I am forgetting some big name bullpen pitcher, why would there only be 1 spot left.
Now, if there is really only 1 spot left I think the competition now is strictly between Parisi and Berg. Berg has certainly been quite impressive in a limited number of innings so far this spring, and Parisi has been overall, pretty good as well, and Parisi has pitched a few more innings than Berg as well. They both have minimal major league experience, and they both seem to have a lot of potential if they can pitch consistently. I just wonder if it came down to it, and there really only is 1 spot left, who they would keep to start the season? I think that if one or the other didnt have a complete meltdown before the final "cut" and the #'s stayed mostly the same (with a little give or take), that Big Lou would probably roll the dice with Parisi just because he has no options at all, whereas Berg does. Worse comes to worse, Parisi starts the season with the big league team, gets rocked, and then Berg is called up immediately. Comments?
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CHC5151, first of all welcome. Don't take this the wrong way, but you started a similar thread yesterday with an almost identical subtitle. You don't need to do this every time you would like to post an additional thought or 2. Please carry on the conversation in the old thread, and I hope you post more.
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<!--quoteo(post=83413:date=Mar 20 2010, 01:07 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Mar 20 2010, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->CHC5151, first of all welcome. Don't take this the wrong way, but you started a similar thread yesterday with an almost identical subtitle. You don't need to do this every time you would like to post an additional thought or 2. Please carry on the conversation in the old thread, and I hope you post more.
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a little bit different this time, considering the spring roster was trimmed down again. i just want to know who everyone thinks is going to make that bullpen, that is not already a lock. people dont answer questions, so i have to repeat myself. they respond to a thread and say nothing about the topic at hand. dont take that the wrong way.
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<!--quoteo(post=83414:date=Mar 20 2010, 01:35 PM:name=CHC5151)-->QUOTE (CHC5151 @ Mar 20 2010, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=83413:date=Mar 20 2010, 01:07 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Mar 20 2010, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->CHC5151, first of all welcome. Don't take this the wrong way, but you started a similar thread yesterday with an almost identical subtitle. You don't need to do this every time you would like to post an additional thought or 2. Please carry on the conversation in the old thread, and I hope you post more.
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a little bit different this time, considering the spring roster was trimmed down again. i just want to know who everyone thinks is going to make that bullpen, that is not already a lock. people dont answer questions, so i have to repeat myself. they respond to a thread and say nothing about the topic at hand. dont take that the wrong way.
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a little bit different this time, considering the spring roster was trimmed down again. i just want to know who everyone thinks is going to make that bullpen, that is not already a lock. people dont answer questions, so i have to repeat myself. they respond to a thread and say nothing about the topic at hand. dont take that the wrong way.
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Clearly.
I guess it was my mistake...
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Who's left? Well, I guess you could post the current roster from Cubs.com for starters to aid in the discussion.
Active Roster
Pitchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
64 Justin Berg R/R 6-3 230 06/07/84
33 Esmailin Caridad R/R 5-10 195 10/28/83
46 Ryan Dempster R/R 6-2 215 05/03/77
48 John Gaub R/L 6-2 210 04/28/85
32 Tom Gorzelanny L/L 6-2 205 07/12/82
43 John Grabow L/L 6-2 205 11/04/78
34 Jeff Gray R/R 6-3 195 11/19/81
37 Angel Guzman R/R 6-3 200 12/14/81
30 Ted Lilly L/L 6-1 195 01/04/76
49 Carlos Marmol R/R 6-2 215 10/14/82
45 Sean Marshall L/L 6-7 220 08/30/82
62 Marcos Mateo R/R 6-1 160 04/18/84
47 Mike Parisi R/R 6-3 215 04/18/83
29 Jeff Samardzija R/R 6-5 225 01/23/85
52 Carlos Silva R/R 6-4 250 04/23/79
36 Randy Wells R/R 6-5 230 08/28/82
38 Carlos Zambrano S/R 6-5 260 06/01/81
Catchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
55 Koyie Hill S/R 6-1 210 03/09/79
18 Geovany Soto R/R 6-1 220 01/20/83
Infielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
28 Jeff Baker R/R 6-2 210 06/21/81
13 Andres Blanco S/R 5-10 190 04/11/84
17 Mike Fontenot L/R 5-8 170 06/09/80
6 Micah Hoffpauir L/L 6-3 215 03/01/80
25 Derrek Lee R/R 6-5 245 09/06/75
16 Aramis Ramirez R/R 6-1 215 06/25/78
2 Ryan Theriot R/R 5-11 180 12/07/79
Outfielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
63 James Adduci L/L 6-2 210 05/15/85
24 Marlon Byrd R/R 6-0 245 08/30/77
21 Tyler Colvin L/L 6-3 210 09/05/85
1 Kosuke Fukudome L/R 6-0 200 04/26/77
27 Sam Fuld L/L 5-10 180 11/20/81
22 Xavier Nady R/R 6-2 215 11/14/78
12 Alfonso Soriano R/R 6-1 195 01/07/76
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<!--quoteo(post=83418:date=Mar 20 2010, 12:44 PM:name=ColoradoCub)-->QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ Mar 20 2010, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Who's left? Well, I guess you could post the current roster from Cubs.com for starters to aid in the discussion.
Active Roster
<b>Pitchers B/T Ht Wt DOB </b>
64 Justin Berg R/R 6-3 230 06/07/84
33 Esmailin Caridad R/R 5-10 195 10/28/83
46 Ryan Dempster R/R 6-2 215 05/03/77
48 John Gaub R/L 6-2 210 04/28/85
32 Tom Gorzelanny L/L 6-2 205 07/12/82
43 John Grabow L/L 6-2 205 11/04/78
34 Jeff Gray R/R 6-3 195 11/19/81 DL
37 Angel Guzman R/R 6-3 200 12/14/81
30 Ted Lilly L/L 6-1 195 01/04/76
49 Carlos Marmol R/R 6-2 215 10/14/82
45 Sean Marshall L/L 6-7 220 08/30/82
62 Marcos Mateo R/R 6-1 160 04/18/84
47 Mike Parisi R/R 6-3 215 04/18/83
29 Jeff Samardzija R/R 6-5 225 01/23/85
52 Carlos Silva R/R 6-4 250 04/23/79
36 Randy Wells R/R 6-5 230 08/28/82
38 Carlos Zambrano S/R 6-5 260 06/01/81
<b>Catchers B/T Ht Wt DOB</b>
55 Koyie Hill S/R 6-1 210 03/09/79
18 Geovany Soto R/R 6-1 220 01/20/83
<b>Infielders B/T Ht Wt DOB</b>
28 Jeff Baker R/R 6-2 210 06/21/81
13 Andres Blanco S/R 5-10 190 04/11/84
17 Mike Fontenot L/R 5-8 170 06/09/80
6 Micah Hoffpauir L/L 6-3 215 03/01/80
25 Derrek Lee R/R 6-5 245 09/06/75
16 Aramis Ramirez R/R 6-1 215 06/25/78
2 Ryan Theriot R/R 5-11 180 12/07/79
<b>Outfielders B/T Ht Wt DOB </b>
63 James Adduci L/L 6-2 210 05/15/85
24 Marlon Byrd R/R 6-0 245 08/30/77
21 Tyler Colvin L/L 6-3 210 09/05/85
1 Kosuke Fukudome L/R 6-0 200 04/26/77
27 Sam Fuld L/L 5-10 180 11/20/81
22 Xavier Nady R/R 6-2 215 11/14/78 DL
12 Alfonso Soriano R/R 6-1 195 01/07/76<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The 2 "extra" players are Tracy and Millar, who aren't on the 40 man roster because they signed minor league deals. Nady and Gray go to the DL, and Tracy and Millar will get promoted to the 40 man roster and make the team. At least, that's how I think the roster will wind up.
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<!--quoteo(post=83417:date=Mar 20 2010, 01:43 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Mar 20 2010, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=83416:date=Mar 20 2010, 01:41 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Mar 20 2010, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=83414:date=Mar 20 2010, 01:35 PM:name=CHC5151)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CHC5151 @ Mar 20 2010, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=83413:date=Mar 20 2010, 01:07 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Mar 20 2010, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->CHC5151, first of all welcome. Don't take this the wrong way, but you started a similar thread yesterday with an almost identical subtitle. You don't need to do this every time you would like to post an additional thought or 2. Please carry on the conversation in the old thread, and I hope you post more.
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a little bit different this time, considering the spring roster was trimmed down again. i just want to know who everyone thinks is going to make that bullpen, that is not already a lock. people dont answer questions, so i have to repeat myself. they respond to a thread and say nothing about the topic at hand. dont take that the wrong way.
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Clearly.
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How dare you...
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FWIW...this guy writes like cherp.
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I thought the cuts were meaningful, but unsurprising. Definitely some guys who had a legitimate shot to make the bullpen - Stevens and Parker among them - but who just didn't step up.
Also, fwiw, this was the third set of cuts - the second was Rafael Dolis, by himself.
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<!--quoteo(post=83420:date=Mar 20 2010, 01:52 PM:name=ColoradoCub)-->QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ Mar 20 2010, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=83418:date=Mar 20 2010, 12:44 PM:name=ColoradoCub)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ Mar 20 2010, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Who's left? Well, I guess you could post the current roster from Cubs.com for starters to aid in the discussion.
Active Roster
<b>Pitchers B/T Ht Wt DOB </b>
64 Justin Berg R/R 6-3 230 06/07/84
33 Esmailin Caridad R/R 5-10 195 10/28/83
46 Ryan Dempster R/R 6-2 215 05/03/77
48 John Gaub R/L 6-2 210 04/28/85
32 Tom Gorzelanny L/L 6-2 205 07/12/82
43 John Grabow L/L 6-2 205 11/04/78
34 Jeff Gray R/R 6-3 195 11/19/81 DL
37 Angel Guzman R/R 6-3 200 12/14/81
30 Ted Lilly L/L 6-1 195 01/04/76
49 Carlos Marmol R/R 6-2 215 10/14/82
45 Sean Marshall L/L 6-7 220 08/30/82
62 Marcos Mateo R/R 6-1 160 04/18/84
47 Mike Parisi R/R 6-3 215 04/18/83
29 Jeff Samardzija R/R 6-5 225 01/23/85
52 Carlos Silva R/R 6-4 250 04/23/79
36 Randy Wells R/R 6-5 230 08/28/82
38 Carlos Zambrano S/R 6-5 260 06/01/81
<b>Catchers B/T Ht Wt DOB</b>
55 Koyie Hill S/R 6-1 210 03/09/79
18 Geovany Soto R/R 6-1 220 01/20/83
<b>Infielders B/T Ht Wt DOB</b>
28 Jeff Baker R/R 6-2 210 06/21/81
13 Andres Blanco S/R 5-10 190 04/11/84
17 Mike Fontenot L/R 5-8 170 06/09/80
6 Micah Hoffpauir L/L 6-3 215 03/01/80
25 Derrek Lee R/R 6-5 245 09/06/75
16 Aramis Ramirez R/R 6-1 215 06/25/78
2 Ryan Theriot R/R 5-11 180 12/07/79
<b>Outfielders B/T Ht Wt DOB </b>
63 James Adduci L/L 6-2 210 05/15/85
24 Marlon Byrd R/R 6-0 245 08/30/77
21 Tyler Colvin L/L 6-3 210 09/05/85
1 Kosuke Fukudome L/R 6-0 200 04/26/77
27 Sam Fuld L/L 5-10 180 11/20/81
22 Xavier Nady R/R 6-2 215 11/14/78 DL
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The 2 "extra" players are Tracy and Millar, who aren't on the 40 man roster because they signed minor league deals. Nady and Gray go to the DL, and Tracy and Millar will get promoted to the 40 man roster and make the team. At least, that's how I think the roster will wind up.
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Wow Colorado..so you have Berg as bein optioned then, I am suprised. I didnt think many fans would agree to option him and see how Rule 5, Mike Parisi does...
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the newbie is gonna ask what the hell FWIW is, and cherp?
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the newbie is gonna ask what the hell FWIW is, and cherp?
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FWIW = Funny who isn't Wednesday and cherp is the sound a pecker makes.
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the newbie is gonna ask what the hell FWIW is, and cherp?
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cherp is another poster.
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