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<!--quoteo(post=71704:date=Dec 14 2009, 09:22 PM:name=Dave)-->QUOTE (Dave @ Dec 14 2009, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71701:date=Dec 14 2009, 09:55 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Dec 14 2009, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71687:date=Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Uh...are you going to actually deny that Hendry has a fetish for overpaying middle relievers? (and, btw, a guy with a 5.80 ERA might be a "closer" on the Pirates, but not on a real team.)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've noticed you put a LOT of weight on what players did last year rather than factoring in their career numbers. Just curious if there's any reason for that.
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Middle relievers are a crap shoot, for every Rivera and Hoffman there are hundreds of Scott Downs and Kyle Farnsworths.
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Scott Downs was an interesting choice here, seeing as how he's had ERAs of 2.17, 1.78, and 3.09 over the last 3 years.
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<!--quoteo(post=71699:date=Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The Cubs didn't pay for middle relief last year and the bullpen sucked.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As an example: just because they didn't sign Aaron Heilman as a free agent doesn't mean they didn't pay for him.
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<!--quoteo(post=71720:date=Dec 15 2009, 08:02 AM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 15 2009, 08:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71699:date=Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The Cubs didn't pay for middle relief last year and the bullpen sucked.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As an example: just because they didn't sign Aaron Heilman as a free agent doesn't mean they didn't pay for him.
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And Gregg.
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<!--quoteo(post=71712:date=Dec 14 2009, 11:45 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Dec 14 2009, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71704:date=Dec 14 2009, 09:22 PM:name=Dave)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dave @ Dec 14 2009, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71701:date=Dec 14 2009, 09:55 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Dec 14 2009, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71687:date=Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Uh...are you going to actually deny that Hendry has a fetish for overpaying middle relievers? (and, btw, a guy with a 5.80 ERA might be a "closer" on the Pirates, but not on a real team.)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've noticed you put a LOT of weight on what players did last year rather than factoring in their career numbers. Just curious if there's any reason for that.
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Middle relievers are a crap shoot, for every Rivera and Hoffman there are hundreds of Scott Downs and Kyle Farnsworths.
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Scott Downs was an interesting choice here, seeing as how he's had ERAs of 2.17, 1.78, and 3.09 over the last 3 years.
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The 3 years prior to that were 4.09, 4.31 and 5.14, which cover him from ages 28-30, who could have possibly seen him putting up the numbers he has in the last 3 years?
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<!--quoteo(post=71704:date=Dec 15 2009, 12:22 AM:name=Dave)-->QUOTE (Dave @ Dec 15 2009, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71701:date=Dec 14 2009, 09:55 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Dec 14 2009, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71687:date=Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Uh...are you going to actually deny that Hendry has a fetish for overpaying middle relievers? (and, btw, a guy with a 5.80 ERA might be a "closer" on the Pirates, but not on a real team.)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've noticed you put a LOT of weight on what players did last year rather than factoring in their career numbers. Just curious if there's any reason for that.
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Middle relievers are a crap shoot, for every Rivera and Hoffman there are hundreds of Scott Downs and Kyle Farnsworths.
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I'm not sure why you quoted me with that comment. For one thing, if your point is that it's a crap shoot, than why would last years stats be any more or less important than career stats? Also, I wasn't referring only to KBs evaluation of relievers, but players in general.
I agree for the most part that relief pitchers are a crap shoot and I would rather not pay much for them. However, Capps is young and has been extremely effective outside of last year. If he came at the right price ($1-2 million for one year) I'd be interested in him. If nothing else, I would like to see what he could bring back in a trade at the deadline if he happens to put up numbers similar to his career stats. GMs over pay for closers.
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<!--quoteo(post=71722:date=Dec 15 2009, 07:04 AM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ Dec 15 2009, 07:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71720:date=Dec 15 2009, 08:02 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 15 2009, 08:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71699:date=Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The Cubs didn't pay for middle relief last year and the bullpen sucked.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As an example: just because they didn't sign Aaron Heilman as a free agent doesn't mean they didn't pay for him.
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And Gregg.
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The Cubs paid about $6 M total for their entire bullpen last year and it sucked. Does that sound better?
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<!--quoteo(post=71751:date=Dec 15 2009, 11:14 AM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 15 2009, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71722:date=Dec 15 2009, 07:04 AM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ Dec 15 2009, 07:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71720:date=Dec 15 2009, 08:02 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 15 2009, 08:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71699:date=Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The Cubs didn't pay for middle relief last year and the bullpen sucked.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As an example: just because they didn't sign Aaron Heilman as a free agent doesn't mean they didn't pay for him.
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And Gregg.
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The Cubs paid about $6 M total for their entire bullpen last year and it sucked. Does that sound better?
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Well $5.8M went to the 2 worst ones in Heilman and Gregg.
Plus, we gave up prospects for them.
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<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->CHICAGO -- Now that the Cubs have gotten rid of Milton Bradley, could free-agent reliever Matt Capps be on his way to the North Side?
Capps, who spoke on Saturday on "Talkin' Baseball" with Bruce Levine and Jonathan Hood, said there have already been preliminary discussions with the Cubs about joining the team. One of Capps' former Pirate teammates, reliever Tom Gorzelanny, came to the Cubs last season in a trade that also brought the Cubs former Pirate John Grabow.
"We have to see what the opportunity is going to be for me on the team, and then everything else with my agent and the teams, they can talk about the other stuff," Capps said. "Like I talked about before, I want to be in a winning environment, and I want to see what the best opportunity is for me personally and the best opportunity for the team to win is, and we'll go from there. There's just as good a chance of me being a Cub as being anybody else. "
Capps pitched last year for the Pittsburgh Pirates, going 4-8 with a 5.80 ERA and 27 saves, putting him in the 10th spot for saves in the National League. In addition to the Cubs, the right-hander is said to be drawing interest from the Cardinals, Diamondbacks, Rockies, Marlins, Orioles and Nationals. Capps' 2009 salary was reported to be $2.4 million.
Capps noted that there was a comfort factor for his family in coming to Chicago, as his wife and Grabow's and Gorzelanny's wives, are good friends.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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So apparently Capps has narrowed it down to either the Cubs or Nats. I actually want to sign him, but I fear a Hendry 3-year special. And why exactly would Capps choose the Nats? I find it laughable that people are talking about that organization going in the right direction simply because of Strasburg.......and Marquis signings.
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Let's just get every relief pitcher on the market and have a 4-man rotation that only pitches 5 innings a game. We're going to revolutionize the sport.
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Sadly, the game of baseball is already headed in that direction. We must be ahead of our time.
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Carlos Silva might actually be effective if he appeared in every game of the season, but only threw one pitch to one batter. Just throw one hard sinker and hope the batter grounds out. If it doesn't work, pull him and put in someone else.
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<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->According to MLB.com's Bill Ladson, free agent Matt Capps has narrowed his list of teams to the Nationals and the Cubs, and will make a decision by Wednesday night. Capps was not offered arbitration by the Pirates after saving 27 games. If he signs with the Nationals, Capps will be their closer. If he signs with the Cubs, he'd be a set-up pitcher for Carlos Marmol. He'd also give the Cubs some insurance in case Marmol has problems with walks.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--quoteo(post=72810:date=Dec 22 2009, 04:45 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Dec 22 2009, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->So apparently Capps has narrowed it down to either the Cubs or Nats. I actually want to sign him, but I fear a Hendry 3-year special. And why exactly would Capps choose the Nats? I find it laughable that people are talking about that organization going in the right direction simply because of Strasburg.......and Marquis signings.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Depending on the length of the deal Capps might be better off financially if he signs with the Nads. He would be their closer. If successful he set himself up for a much larger future deal than if he were a successful setup guy for the Cubs. I'm sure that's part of the reason he is considering going to Washington.
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<!--quoteo(post=72824:date=Dec 22 2009, 08:04 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 22 2009, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72810:date=Dec 22 2009, 04:45 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Dec 22 2009, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->So apparently Capps has narrowed it down to either the Cubs or Nats. I actually want to sign him, but I fear a Hendry 3-year special. And why exactly would Capps choose the Nats? I find it laughable that people are talking about that organization going in the right direction simply because of Strasburg.......and Marquis signings.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Depending on the length of the deal Capps might be better off financially if he signs with the Nads. He would be their closer. If successful he set himself up for a much larger future deal than if he were a successful setup guy for the Cubs. I'm sure that's part of the reason he is considering going to Washington.
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That's absolutely the reason. If he took a one-year deal, he'd still have an arbitration-eligible year in 2011 - and guys with "saves" make a shitton more money in arbitration than guys who don't.
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