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<!--quoteo(post=71544:date=Dec 13 2009, 10:14 PM:name=Dave)-->QUOTE (Dave @ Dec 13 2009, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The Pirates non-tendered Matt Capps, according to Sullivan, the Cubs are interested.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From Olney:<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->1. The Pirates did not tender a contract to closer Matt Capps. A surprise? Well, it shouldn't be. He had a 5.80 ERA last season and gave up 90 hits and walks in 54.1 innings while making $2.425 million. The Pirates assessed internally that had Capps gone through arbitration, he could've received a raise to almost $4 million, probably about $3.8 million.
Capps showed real signs of regression this past season, the current market is flush with relief pitching and the Pirates probably will finish well out of first place in 2010. Would it make sense for them to pay Capps $3.8 million when somebody else would have a reasonable chance of being at least as effective -- maybe more effective -- for less money? No.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
JH will probably sign him to a two year/ $8 million deal. Then BT will defend the signing to no end.
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<!--quoteo(post=71546:date=Dec 13 2009, 09:18 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 13 2009, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71544:date=Dec 13 2009, 10:14 PM:name=Dave)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dave @ Dec 13 2009, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The Pirates non-tendered Matt Capps, according to Sullivan, the Cubs are interested.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From Olney:<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->1. The Pirates did not tender a contract to closer Matt Capps. A surprise? Well, it shouldn't be. He had a 5.80 ERA last season and gave up 90 hits and walks in 54.1 innings while making $2.425 million. The Pirates assessed internally that had Capps gone through arbitration, he could've received a raise to almost $4 million, probably about $3.8 million.
Capps showed real signs of regression this past season, the current market is flush with relief pitching and the Pirates probably will finish well out of first place in 2010. Would it make sense for them to pay Capps $3.8 million when somebody else would have a reasonable chance of being at least as effective -- maybe more effective -- for less money? No.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
JH will probably sign him to a two year/ $8 million deal. Then BT will defend the signing to no end.
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Maybe, but you need only sign Capps to a one-year deal and then his arbitration kicks in again. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r.gif[/img]
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Capps was an excellent reliever up until last season. Worth a look depending on the cost I think.
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As long as our announcers don't call him the Mad Capper, like those assholes in Pittsburgh, then fine I guess.
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I guess we do need to replace Gregg in the pen.
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<!--quoteo(post=71560:date=Dec 13 2009, 11:26 PM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ Dec 13 2009, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I guess we do need to replace Gregg in the pen.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<i>The Pirates' decision to not tender closer Matt Capps could benefit the Cubs. Capps is now a free agent and his rep, Paul Kinzer, told the Chicago Tribune that the right-hander is interested in the Cubs. Chicago does have Carlos Marmol as its closer but Capps could be the experienced right-handed set-up pitcher the Cubs are looking for. He made $2.4 million last season and the Pirates did not tender him because they felt Capps would receive a significant pay increase in arbitration.
-- Carrie Muskat</i>
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<!--quoteo(post=71546:date=Dec 13 2009, 09:18 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 13 2009, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71544:date=Dec 13 2009, 10:14 PM:name=Dave)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dave @ Dec 13 2009, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The Pirates non-tendered Matt Capps, according to Sullivan, the Cubs are interested.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From Olney:<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->1. The Pirates did not tender a contract to closer Matt Capps. A surprise? Well, it shouldn't be. He had a 5.80 ERA last season and gave up 90 hits and walks in 54.1 innings while making $2.425 million. The Pirates assessed internally that had Capps gone through arbitration, he could've received a raise to almost $4 million, probably about $3.8 million.
Capps showed real signs of regression this past season, the current market is flush with relief pitching and the Pirates probably will finish well out of first place in 2010. Would it make sense for them to pay Capps $3.8 million when somebody else would have a reasonable chance of being at least as effective -- maybe more effective -- for less money? No.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
JH will probably sign him to a two year/ $8 million deal. Then BT will defend the signing to no end.
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Right. Except I'll start defending it right after you claim that deal plus the Koyie Hill signing kept us from signing Albert Pujols.
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Uh...are you going to actually deny that Hendry has a fetish for overpaying middle relievers? (and, btw, a guy with a 5.80 ERA might be a "closer" on the Pirates, but not on a real team.)
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<!--quoteo(post=71687:date=Dec 14 2009, 08:48 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 14 2009, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Uh...are you going to actually deny that Hendry has a fetish for overpaying middle relievers? (and, btw, a guy with a 5.80 ERA might be a "closer" on the Pirates, but not on a real team.)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He had a 5.80 ERA last year...before that is was a pretty good reliever...just sayin'
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<!--quoteo(post=71689:date=Dec 14 2009, 09:05 PM:name=Runnys)-->QUOTE (Runnys @ Dec 14 2009, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71687:date=Dec 14 2009, 08:48 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 14 2009, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Uh...are you going to actually deny that Hendry has a fetish for overpaying middle relievers? (and, btw, a guy with a 5.80 ERA might be a "closer" on the Pirates, but not on a real team.)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He had a 5.80 ERA last year...before that is was a pretty good reliever...just sayin'
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Which is one of the reasons you don't pay for middle relief. Bob Howry has a great year, and then a shit year. Same with Scott Eyre. Same with Matt Capps. It's too unpredictable.
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Capps career ERA is 3.61, career ERA+ is 119, in 2007 it was 191, in 2008 it was 139, in 2009 it was 71. Seems like a guy who will, at best, alternate between good and bad years, not worth a Grabow deal. Then again, neither was Grabow.
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The Cubs didn't pay for middle relief last year and the bullpen sucked.
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<!--quoteo(post=71687:date=Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Uh...are you going to actually deny that Hendry has a fetish for overpaying middle relievers? (and, btw, a guy with a 5.80 ERA might be a "closer" on the Pirates, but not on a real team.)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've noticed you put a LOT of weight on what players did last year rather than factoring in their career numbers. Just curious if there's any reason for that.
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<!--quoteo(post=71701:date=Dec 14 2009, 09:55 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Dec 14 2009, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71687:date=Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 14 2009, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Uh...are you going to actually deny that Hendry has a fetish for overpaying middle relievers? (and, btw, a guy with a 5.80 ERA might be a "closer" on the Pirates, but not on a real team.)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've noticed you put a LOT of weight on what players did last year rather than factoring in their career numbers. Just curious if there's any reason for that.
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Middle relievers are a crap shoot, for every Rivera and Hoffman there are hundreds of Scott Downs and Kyle Farnsworths.
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