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Well, if there were any doubts about Milton's future, this pretty much seals it.
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Prospect Colvin to join Cubs in Milwaukee
By Carrie Muskat / MLB.com
09/21/09 2:03 AM ET
ST. LOUIS -- Tyler Colvin's season got an extension.
Colvin, the Cubs' No. 1 pick in the 2006 First-Year Player Draft, will join the team in Milwaukee on Monday.
The team decided to call up the outfielder after general manager Jim Hendry suspended Milton Bradley for the rest of the season. The Cubs have been playing short-handed in the outfield because of injuries to Alfonso Soriano, Reed Johnson and Sam Fuld.
"We'll get another outfielder and we'll get a look at our future," Cubs manager Lou Piniella said. "We'll put him in the outfield and let him play."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Well, at least I will have some interest in the Cubs the rest of the season. I'd like to see Colvin play.
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Let's see another one of Hendry's failures!
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Even the Bulls found a way to dump Larry Hughes.
"Last year, I was sort of a kid and I was a little scared, I ain't scared any more."
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<!--quoteo(post=63832:date=Sep 21 2009, 07:03 AM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Sep 21 2009, 07:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63831:date=Sep 21 2009, 06:50 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Sep 21 2009, 06:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->$10 says after a long, drawn-out process of trying to trade him, the Cubs decide to try and make it work.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
and i have $10 that says after a long drawn-out process of trying to get something in return for him, they end up giving him away for next to nothing. there isn't a chance in hell that he's coming back. none whatsoever.
and hendry is doing the right thing. you can criticize him for signing bradley in the first place, but not for suspending him. bradley is a cancer, and worse, he's a cancer that can't play. he absolutely has to go. what bradley said this weekend is so beyond his usual crybaby bullshit, that it's imperitive that he be traded. the bridge has been burned.
if i'm hendry, i spend the first few months of the offseason trying to get anything in return for him and if it doesn't work, then i call KC and tell them he's theirs for free. i don't trade him to a NL team and i don't trade him to a contender, unless i'm positive i'm going get some value for him.
and why hasn't scarey weighed in on this?
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I haven't weighed in on this because I was wrong. I guess I should man up and admit it.
Look, I always saw Bradley as a hot head who, although he went over the line, was mistunderstood. Sure, he did some silly things, but I think a lot of it was overblown and that all he really wanted was fans who appreciated him.
I was really hoping he would come to Chicago, play really well, and be embraced by this town. If that had happened, I think Bradley would be as mentally stable as he is able to be right now. He could have really turned his image around. As it stands, everything has gone wrong and this latest comments put him over the edge in my book.
The guy has mental issues. Maybe not to the point that he needs clinical help (although that's debatable), but I always felt for him. I hoped he could help us out, and we could help him out. That seemingly will not happen. I could envision a scenario where he apologizes publically, admits he has problems and will seek help, and asks for a second chance to make it up to this fan base. That would be the only way he's a Cub next year and I just don't see that happening. He's made his mind up about Chicago and the Cubs, and he's helped me to make up my mind about him.
I don't care anymore if we have a huge question mark in RF next year, I don't want him here next year. I hope for the best for him and hope he figures it out. Just not as a Cub.
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As Einstein said, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results. MB keeps blaming everyone but himself, and expects people to sympathize with him... I think it's pretty certain that he's got mental issues.
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I'm not so sure him playing well would've necessarily meant that he wouldn't have acted like a total asshole at times. He reminds me of Albert Belle. That fuck head had some great years, and he was still always an angry asshole. Never fucking smiled, just like Bradley. Stand-offish towards the media, like Bradley. I'm not saying he would have to act like a prankster, like Dempster. Or a calm cool collected guy, like Lee. But he's never shown that he enjoys what he does, even a little. He's just angry at the world. His teammates pretty much said it all. They didn't try to keep Bradley out of the group. Bradley wanted to sit in the corner, and then fucking whine about it.
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<!--quoteo(post=63873:date=Sep 21 2009, 11:37 AM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Sep 21 2009, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63832:date=Sep 21 2009, 07:03 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Sep 21 2009, 07:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63831:date=Sep 21 2009, 06:50 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Sep 21 2009, 06:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->$10 says after a long, drawn-out process of trying to trade him, the Cubs decide to try and make it work.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
and i have $10 that says after a long drawn-out process of trying to get something in return for him, they end up giving him away for next to nothing. there isn't a chance in hell that he's coming back. none whatsoever.
and hendry is doing the right thing. you can criticize him for signing bradley in the first place, but not for suspending him. bradley is a cancer, and worse, he's a cancer that can't play. he absolutely has to go. what bradley said this weekend is so beyond his usual crybaby bullshit, that it's imperitive that he be traded. the bridge has been burned.
if i'm hendry, i spend the first few months of the offseason trying to get anything in return for him and if it doesn't work, then i call KC and tell them he's theirs for free. i don't trade him to a NL team and i don't trade him to a contender, unless i'm positive i'm going get some value for him.
and why hasn't scarey weighed in on this?
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I haven't weighed in on this because I was wrong. I guess I should man up and admit it.
Look, I always saw Bradley as a hot head who, although he went over the line, was mistunderstood. Sure, he did some silly things, but I think a lot of it was overblown and that all he really wanted was fans who appreciated him.
I was really hoping he would come to Chicago, play really well, and be embraced by this town. If that had happened, I think Bradley would be as mentally stable as he is able to be right now. He could have really turned his image around. As it stands, everything has gone wrong and this latest comments put him over the edge in my book.
The guy has mental issues. Maybe not to the point that he needs clinical help (although that's debatable), but I always felt for him. I hoped he could help us out, and we could help him out. That seemingly will not happen. I could envision a scenario where he apologizes publically, admits he has problems and will seek help, and asks for a second chance to make it up to this fan base. That would be the only way he's a Cub next year and I just don't see that happening. He's made his mind up about Chicago and the Cubs, and he's helped me to make up my mind about him.
I don't care anymore if we have a huge question mark in RF next year, I don't want him here next year. I hope for the best for him and hope he figures it out. Just not as a Cub.
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that's my boy. i knew you'd come around. like i said before, if he would have played well, i'd forgive a lot of this shit, but he didn't. if you're gonna ba dick, you have to perform, and if you aren't gonna perform, then don't be a dick. bradley couldn't do either. he makes me long for strap jones.
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<!--quoteo(post=63868:date=Sep 21 2009, 10:50 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Sep 21 2009, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Sounds to me as if the entire team has already moved on.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune....the-mirror.html
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cu...cubnt21.article<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yeah, i read the suntimes article. nobody seems to be rushing to defend him.
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You know...even following baseball for about 40 years, I still find myself, occasionally, an extremely naive Cubs fan. I'm pretty sure I said, at the time of the signing, that I thought Milton would become a fan favorite--and I think he would have if he had performed when healthy.
That being said, I was wrong. He's got major problems and Jim Hendry makes a whole lot of money to have a better guess than me--he should have known given the history, that Bradley would be disastrous.
This is just one more nail in the coffin of any optimism I have about the Cubs' free agent signings in the future. There have been some decent ones, but the Bradley signing has to end Hendry's career--and I'm not one who says that kind of thing in a light manner.
I'm 100% fine with this. I'm just glad there's an actual plan in place that isn't, "Let's load up on retreads and hope we get lucky." I'm a little tired of that plan.
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<!--quoteo(post=63835:date=Sep 21 2009, 08:42 AM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Sep 21 2009, 08:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63834:date=Sep 21 2009, 07:26 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Sep 21 2009, 07:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63833:date=Sep 21 2009, 08:21 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Sep 21 2009, 08:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Suddenly that little germ of info from a couple days back about the thing in Bradley's contract about ending the season on the DL and the $2M buyout for year three is not news. I still wish I knew more about that because whatever else happens for 2010, it would seem that if such a clause exists for 2011, triggering it would have made a ton of sense. Was it a mirage?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I started doing a BN write-up on this, and the rub is - he's got to still be on the DL by April 15 next year with the same injury that knocked him out this year for the 2011 buyout to pop up.
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Thanks. I look forward to reading it.
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Well, given the rub, it's much less likely to be very in-depth. Or interesting.
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<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->The Major League Baseball Players Association is considering filing a grievance to challenge the Cubs' suspension of outfielder Milton Bradley, the union's general counsel, Michael Weiner, told ESPN.com Monday.
However, the Cubs have yet to issue a formal notice of the suspension to either Bradley, his agents or the union. Once that notice has been received, Weiner said the union would confer with Bradley and his agents, Seth and Sam Levinson, before deciding whether to proceed with the grievance.
Bradley hasn't yet been informed whether the suspension is with or without pay. He also hasn't been told what the specific basis for the suspension was.
Once those matters have been clarified, he might be able to challenge the suspension in several potential areas. One might be that the Cubs didn't have "just cause" to suspend him. A second could be a disagreement about the facts of the case. A third might be simply that the punishment was too severe, given those facts.
The Cubs suspended their volatile outfielder for the rest of the season Sunday, one day after he criticized the team in a newspaper interview.
Bradley was disciplined for conduct detrimental to the team. General manager Jim Hendry said he decided to send Bradley home after learning of the player's remarks in the (Arlington Heights) Daily Herald of Illinois. Bradley, scratched from Saturday's lineup with a sore left knee, was quoted as saying "you understand why they haven't won in 100 years here."
If a grievance is filed, it would be heard by Shyam Das, famous for reducing the suspension of Braves pitcher John Rocker in 2002, following a controversial article on Rocker in Sports Illustrated.
The Cubs are trying to move past the latest distraction in a disappointing season.
"We're moving on from yesterday. I fully support Jim's actions and now it's time to look to the present and look ahead, not behind," manager Lou Piniella said. "Our [goal is] to finish up as strong as we can for the next 14 games, play some kids and take a look at them, and win as many games as we can. That's all that we can do."
The 31-year-old Bradley has two years remaining on a $30 million, three-year contract he signed with Chicago as a free agent last offseason.
"When you manage a baseball team what you want is the least distractions that you can possibly have," Piniella said. "You try to shy away from distractions. My job basically is to get guys to play and to play as well as possible and that's what I try to do."
Bradley has had a rough time with the Cubs, hitting .257 with 12 homers and 40 RBIs, and being booed by fans at Wrigley Field. In the newspaper story, he told a reporter there wasn't a "positive environment" in the organization and he could see why the Cubs haven't won a championship in 100 years.
The mood in the Cubs' clubhouse was jovial Monday before they played the Milwaukee Brewers. Players were measuring each other against a door frame to figure out their real heights instead of what's listed in the team's media guide.
Alfonso Soriano, who is out for the season after arthroscopic surgery on his left knee, got a big welcome from his teammates when he came in after being away from the team the last few days.
Soriano said he didn't know the specifics about Bradley, but understands how tough the hometown fans can be.
"If they boo, that's because they want the team to do good. If you're doing good, they don't want to boo nobody. If you're doing bad, maybe they get frustrated and they boo. That's the way I see it," Soriano said. "The fans are great, but you have to play good. You have to play for them."
The oft-injured Bradley has a history of boorish behavior during 10 years in the majors with seven teams, but Brewers manager Ken Macha said Bradley was his best player in the playoffs with Oakland in 2006.
Macha recalled once having to push Bradley back to the dugout to keep from going after an umpire, but said he was thanked for his intervention about two weeks later.
"He's intense -- let me put it that way," Macha said. "He's got a tremendous desire to win."
Piniella said the worst part of the situation is the criticism Hendry has received for the signing.
"You don't do things because you don't think they're going to work, and you do your homework. Do they work out all the time? I don't think anybody's a miracle man where things can work out all the time," Piniella said. "The amazing thing is when things don't work you take more heat than when they work."
Chicago is in the middle of a 10-game road trip that includes three games in Milwaukee before a four-game trip to San Francisco.
Piniella said left-hander Ted Lilly would be pushed back until this weekend in favor of hard-throwing right-hander Jeff Samardzija and that Rich Harden, who was skipped Monday because of his high workload this season, may make the other weekend start against the Giants.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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This is not some silly theory that's unsupported and deserves being mocked by photos of Xena. ![[Image: ITgoyeg.png]](http://i.imgur.com/ITgoyeg.png)
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<!--quoteo(post=63948:date=Sep 21 2009, 08:07 PM:name=Lance)-->QUOTE (Lance @ Sep 21 2009, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You know...even following baseball for about 40 years, I still find myself, occasionally, an extremely naive Cubs fan. I'm pretty sure I said, at the time of the signing, that I thought Milton would become a fan favorite--and I think he would have if he had performed when healthy.
That being said, I was wrong. He's got major problems and Jim Hendry makes a whole lot of money to have a better guess than me--he should have known given the history, that Bradley would be disastrous.
This is just one more nail in the coffin of any optimism I have about the Cubs' free agent signings in the future. There have been some decent ones, but the Bradley signing has to end Hendry's career--and I'm not one who says that kind of thing in a light manner.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is where I'm at too. I've heard umpteen times that Ricketts won't fire Hendry for a year and I have never understood this idea at all.
Why would anyone assume Ricketts has no vision for the future? Why would Ricketts not know who his guy in the front office is going to be? Why would he not want to prosecute that vision at once? And then you factor in this stuff...
I will be disappointed if Hendry is the guy making moves this winter.
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That article raises interesting questions. It never occurred to me that Bradley might be suspended without pay. Then, what IS a suspension like this. I'd think the league would have questions too. This could be abused to open roster spots with players that can refuse assignment. Suspension with pay could just be a ploy to carry extra players...he buddy...we're gonna "suspend you with pay" for the weekend so we can bring up another arm for the pen...
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