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<!--quoteo(post=55494:date=Aug 4 2009, 01:24 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Aug 4 2009, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->i think hendry had a bad offseason, but he's had good ones too, so shit happens i guess. i think lou doesn't get nearly enough credit for what he's done.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed. But the thing about Hendry this off season is that he has made some real strange moves, seemingly out of line for someone who is building a contender. The Bradley move wasn't all that odd overall (he signed a FA who had a monster year); the DeRosa one more questionable based on the return haul. But the bigger flashing lights at the time were the decisions to trade Wuertz (yes, he was cheaper than, say, letting Vizcaino go, but hey that happened anyway) and to keep Patton--a AA reliever Rule 5 draftee on a team expected to compete--on the 25-man roster. These moves to me are far riskier than, oh, I don't know, calling a squeeze with the bases juiced.
Not that I want to open that argument back up. It's just that some of these moves are so strangely awful that you wonder if Hendry was some additional comprimising position beyond the sale of the team. Maybe Patton had pictures of Big Jim smoking Yosh Kawano's pole.
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And you can't give Jim or Lou credit for Fox. When he was hitting .425 with massive power in AAA at the exact time that our offense was at its weakest, Jim sat on his hands. I was as pissed about that as I was about the DeRo debacle.
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BTW, BT's post was great. I've said the same thing, only far less well. We're hanging in there. Fuck yeah.
However, we have a MASSIVE advantage over the other teams in our division.
Here are the top eight MLB teams in payroll:
Yankees: $206 million
Mets: $139 million
<!--coloro:#0000FF--><!--/coloro-->Cubs<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc-->: $138 million
Tigers: $130 million
Phillies: $128 million
Red Sox: $123 million
Angels: $117 million
Dodgers: $109 million
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Damn, is that right? I thought the Red Sox had a higher payroll than us. I also didn't realize that the Dodgers shed so much payroll. Is that total obligations or just active payroll?
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<!--quoteo(post=55504:date=Aug 4 2009, 01:13 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Aug 4 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->BTW, BT's post was great. I've said the same thing, only far less well. We're hanging in there. Fuck yeah.
However, we have a MASSIVE advantage over the other teams in our division.
Here are the top eight MLB teams in payroll:
Yankees: $206 million
Mets: $139 million
<!--coloro:#0000FF--> <!--/coloro-->Cubs<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc-->: $138 million
Tigers: $130 million
Phillies: $128 million
Red Sox: $123 million
Angels: $117 million
Dodgers: $109 million<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The Cubs also have the advantage of playing in a major market with one of the highest revenues in the league so they should be one of the teams with the highest payrolls.
Unfortunately, the Cubs are also known for having weak track record for drafting, acquiring and developing talent so until they get those skills in house, they will have to overspend regularly to effectively compete.
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That list doesn't seem right to me.
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This is where it was at the beginning of 2009:
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/basebal....aspx?year=2009
Team Total payroll
New York Yankees $ 201,449,189
New York Mets $ 149,373,987
Chicago Cubs $ 134,809,000
Boston Red Sox $ 121,745,999
Detroit Tigers $ 115,085,145
Los Angeles Angels $ 113,709,000
Philadelphia Phillies $ 113,004,046
Houston Astros $ 102,996,414
Los Angeles Dodgers $ 100,414,592
Seattle Mariners $ 98,904,166
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<!--quoteo(post=55510:date=Aug 4 2009, 01:24 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Aug 4 2009, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->That list doesn't seem right to me.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I got that list off of Buster Olney's ESPN column of <i>today</i>. I'm guessing that he's a pretty reliable source. And it matches up pretty well with the USA Today list from 4 months ago.
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It is kind of baffling that we have a higher payroll than the Red Sox and a few other teams. The Mets should be ashamed of themselves.
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<!--quoteo(post=55516:date=Aug 4 2009, 01:38 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Aug 4 2009, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->It is kind of baffling that we have a higher payroll than the Red Sox and a few other teams. The Mets should be ashamed of themselves.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have now met and talked to both Omar Minaya (Mets GM) and Dusty Baker; both were extremely cool, likable as hell, and off-the-charts charismatic. You can definitely see how they got their jobs, and how they keep them.
It is my opinion, however, that neither of them are very good at their jobs.
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<!--quoteo(post=55507:date=Aug 4 2009, 01:17 PM:name=1060Ivy)-->QUOTE (1060Ivy @ Aug 4 2009, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=55504:date=Aug 4 2009, 01:13 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Aug 4 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->BTW, BT's post was great. I've said the same thing, only far less well. We're hanging in there. Fuck yeah.
However, we have a MASSIVE advantage over the other teams in our division.
Here are the top eight MLB teams in payroll:
Yankees: $206 million
Mets: $139 million
<!--coloro:#0000FF--> <!--/coloro-->Cubs<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc-->: $138 million
Tigers: $130 million
Phillies: $128 million
Red Sox: $123 million
Angels: $117 million
Dodgers: $109 million<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The Cubs also have the advantage of playing in a major market with one of the highest revenues in the league so they should be one of the teams with the highest payrolls.
Unfortunately, the Cubs are also known for having weak track record for drafting, acquiring and developing talent so until they get those skills in house, they will have to overspend regularly to effectively compete.
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Once you get past the fact that Wrigley field draws almost daily sellouts, it's a horseshit park for revenue. No electronic scoreboard to speak of, no parking, (almost) no in park advertising, and worst of all, no luxury boxes. Unless the new owners can cut some kind of YES network deal, they won't have close to the same revenues as most other big market teams.
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<!--quoteo(post=55523:date=Aug 4 2009, 02:35 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Aug 4 2009, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=55507:date=Aug 4 2009, 01:17 PM:name=1060Ivy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (1060Ivy @ Aug 4 2009, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=55504:date=Aug 4 2009, 01:13 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Aug 4 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->BTW, BT's post was great. I've said the same thing, only far less well. We're hanging in there. Fuck yeah.
However, we have a MASSIVE advantage over the other teams in our division.
Here are the top eight MLB teams in payroll:
Yankees: $206 million
Mets: $139 million
<!--coloro:#0000FF--> <!--/coloro-->Cubs<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc-->: $138 million
Tigers: $130 million
Phillies: $128 million
Red Sox: $123 million
Angels: $117 million
Dodgers: $109 million<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The Cubs also have the advantage of playing in a major market with one of the highest revenues in the league so they should be one of the teams with the highest payrolls.
Unfortunately, the Cubs are also known for having weak track record for drafting, acquiring and developing talent so until they get those skills in house, they will have to overspend regularly to effectively compete.
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Once you get past the fact that Wrigley field draws almost daily sellouts, it's a horseshit park for revenue. No electronic scoreboard to speak of, no parking, (almost) no in park advertising, and worst of all, no luxury boxes. Unless the new owners can cut some kind of YES network deal, they won't have close to the same revenues as most other big market teams.
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http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/33/biz_ba...ll_Revenue.html
According to 2007 figures, Cubs were #5 in team in MLB revenues and that is discounting the value of the TV contract.
In 2007, the valuation was in the mid-$600 MM range less than the $900 MM but the current deal also has portions of the Tribune media included less the portion of the Cubs the Tribune is holding on to.
Regarding luxury boxes, the Wrigley has 66 skyboxes in place for some time now.
Regarding advertising, lots of advertisers inside the concourse of the stadium and the UnderArmour ads in the outfield.
Agree that a new TV deal - like the YES network - would add a significant revenue stream but I believe that Tribune locked Cubs into the remainder of the current deals with WGN and Comcast.
Finally, the parking situation is a joke but the Cubs do own a number of parking structures around Wrigley and the new building the Cubs were considering was supposed add additional parking capacity.
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I wonder if any privateer has ever considered putting a big ol' scoreboard on one of the rooftops.
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<!--quoteo(post=55499:date=Aug 4 2009, 01:02 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Aug 4 2009, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=55494:date=Aug 4 2009, 12:24 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Aug 4 2009, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->i think hendry had a bad offseason, but he's had good ones too, so shit happens i guess. i think lou doesn't get nearly enough credit for what he's done.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd cut him more slack if he wasn't behind most of the retooling that went on in the offseason, but I can't separate him from Hendry's master plan at this point.
I give him credit for managing the team well overall though, on the field at least, even though some of his late-inning decision making hasn't been the best. He's dealt with more this season than the first two combined, so he deserves some slack.
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I thought Lou just told Hendry he could use more left-handed bats...not that he should get rid of DeRosa and get Bradley.
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