Soriano and his position.

[PcB]

<!--quoteo(post=50365:date=Jul 17 2009, 06:46 AM:name=Kid)-->QUOTE (Kid @ Jul 17 2009, 06:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50355:date=Jul 17 2009, 03:59 AM:name=Ronsantorocks)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ronsantorocks @ Jul 17 2009, 03:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->ya see.. i guess i should have actually looked up his stats.. when he was a second baseman I was only like 10 or 11 so I wasn't INto baseball as a whole.. but mosty just your average 10 year old who said he was a Cub fan<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So this was like 2 weeks ago?
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[Giff]

<!--quoteo(post=50419:date=Jul 17 2009, 12:23 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 17 2009, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50415:date=Jul 17 2009, 12:13 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Jul 17 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He's 33 (so he says). This is what happens to sluggers in their mid 30s in the post PED MLB. He's only going to get worse.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, wrong, 100% wrong, again. Players don't go from being all star caliber players to being totally worthless in a blink of an eye. There's usually a trend, a gradual decline, not someone falling off the cliff performance-wise from one season to the next, that does not happen with any regularity. Is Soriano gonna get worse over the length of his contract? Yes, I don't think there's any question about it. Is he gonna fall off the map in terms of ability in one off-season? Not gonna happen.

He's hurt, he's been fucking hurt since about a month into the season. I don't know who's fault it is that he's been trotted out there almost everyday, but his perforamnce has been greatly affected by the fact that he is not healthy. It's really simple to explain actually.
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It's not even like this is from one season to the next. On May 18th had a .280/.343/.580 line and 12 HRs. He was playing some of his best ball since he came to the Cubs. It's obvious this isn't just simple decline from age. And he's been in the league for 11 seasons now, so I'm pretty sure pitchers didn't just all of the sudden figure out how to get him out.

[Clapp]

<!--quoteo(post=50378:date=Jul 17 2009, 06:21 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Jul 17 2009, 06:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50377:date=Jul 17 2009, 08:20 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 17 2009, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50368:date=Jul 17 2009, 06:56 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Jul 17 2009, 06:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50359:date=Jul 17 2009, 04:06 AM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jul 17 2009, 04:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Soriano sucks.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Nailed it.
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No.
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Yes

I predict that Soriano will be given his outright release with at least two season left on his monstrous contract.
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No he won't. He'll hit long into his contract.

[Clapp]

<!--quoteo(post=50419:date=Jul 17 2009, 11:23 AM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 17 2009, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50415:date=Jul 17 2009, 12:13 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Jul 17 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He's 33 (so he says). This is what happens to sluggers in their mid 30s in the post PED MLB. He's only going to get worse.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, wrong, 100% wrong, again. Players don't go from being all star caliber players to being totally worthless in a blink of an eye. There's usually a trend, a gradual decline, not someone falling off the cliff performance-wise from one season to the next, that does not happen with any regularity.
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That's what I tried to tell everybody all offseason about Raul Ibanez.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=50461:date=Jul 17 2009, 06:14 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Jul 17 2009, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50419:date=Jul 17 2009, 11:23 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 17 2009, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50415:date=Jul 17 2009, 12:13 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Jul 17 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He's 33 (so he says). This is what happens to sluggers in their mid 30s in the post PED MLB. He's only going to get worse.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, wrong, 100% wrong, again. Players don't go from being all star caliber players to being totally worthless in a blink of an eye. There's usually a trend, a gradual decline, not someone falling off the cliff performance-wise from one season to the next, that does not happen with any regularity.
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That's what I tried to tell everybody all offseason about Raul Ibanez.
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Yeah, but, like, what he's doing is quite unusual.

[Andy]

Scratched today due to his jammed finger from last night. Maybe it will allow more Fox playing time??

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=50488:date=Jul 17 2009, 07:51 PM:name=Andy)-->QUOTE (Andy @ Jul 17 2009, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Scratched today due to his jammed finger from last night. Maybe it will allow more Fox playing time??<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Not while he's the back-up catcher.

[Clapp]

<!--quoteo(post=50465:date=Jul 17 2009, 04:26 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 17 2009, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50461:date=Jul 17 2009, 06:14 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Jul 17 2009, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50419:date=Jul 17 2009, 11:23 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 17 2009, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50415:date=Jul 17 2009, 12:13 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Jul 17 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He's 33 (so he says). This is what happens to sluggers in their mid 30s in the post PED MLB. He's only going to get worse.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, wrong, 100% wrong, again. Players don't go from being all star caliber players to being totally worthless in a blink of an eye. There's usually a trend, a gradual decline, not someone falling off the cliff performance-wise from one season to the next, that does not happen with any regularity.
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That's what I tried to tell everybody all offseason about Raul Ibanez.
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Yeah, but, like, what he's doing is quite unusual.
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Right but he's not going to go from a terrific hitter to complete crap in a year or two. He has plenty left.

[Coach]

<!--quoteo(post=50490:date=Jul 17 2009, 07:56 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Jul 17 2009, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50465:date=Jul 17 2009, 04:26 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 17 2009, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50461:date=Jul 17 2009, 06:14 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Jul 17 2009, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50419:date=Jul 17 2009, 11:23 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 17 2009, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50415:date=Jul 17 2009, 12:13 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Jul 17 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He's 33 (so he says). This is what happens to sluggers in their mid 30s in the post PED MLB. He's only going to get worse.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, wrong, 100% wrong, again. Players don't go from being all star caliber players to being totally worthless in a blink of an eye. There's usually a trend, a gradual decline, not someone falling off the cliff performance-wise from one season to the next, that does not happen with any regularity.
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That's what I tried to tell everybody all offseason about Raul Ibanez.
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Yeah, but, like, what he's doing is quite unusual.
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Right but he's not going to go from a terrific hitter to complete crap in a year or two. He has plenty left.
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This is the first year that he has made an All Star team and he played on some bad M's teams that needed a representative.
He has been a steady player, but I doubt that he will be worth it in year 3.

[Kid]

<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->The Cubs received some good news on the injury front on Saturday.

Cubs left fielder Alfonso Soriano does not have a dislocated right finger, team officials told ESPN100's and ESPNChicago.com.

Soriano has a swollen, jammed finger and is expected to be in the lineup in the next couple of days.

Soriano injured the finger during Thursday's game with the Washington Nationals diving back to first base after making a wide turn on a single.

He was tagged out.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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[Runnys]

<!--quoteo(post=50520:date=Jul 18 2009, 01:13 PM:name=Kid)-->QUOTE (Kid @ Jul 18 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->The Cubs received some good news on the injury front on Saturday.

Cubs left fielder Alfonso Soriano does not have a dislocated right finger, team officials told ESPN100's and ESPNChicago.com.

Soriano has a swollen, jammed finger and is expected to be in the lineup in the next couple of days.

Soriano injured the finger during Thursday's game with the Washington Nationals diving back to first base after making a wide turn on a single.

He was tagged out.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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DAMN!

[Clapp]

<!--quoteo(post=50497:date=Jul 17 2009, 06:18 PM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ Jul 17 2009, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50490:date=Jul 17 2009, 07:56 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Jul 17 2009, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50465:date=Jul 17 2009, 04:26 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 17 2009, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50461:date=Jul 17 2009, 06:14 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Jul 17 2009, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50419:date=Jul 17 2009, 11:23 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 17 2009, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50415:date=Jul 17 2009, 12:13 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Jul 17 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He's 33 (so he says). This is what happens to sluggers in their mid 30s in the post PED MLB. He's only going to get worse.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, wrong, 100% wrong, again. Players don't go from being all star caliber players to being totally worthless in a blink of an eye. There's usually a trend, a gradual decline, not someone falling off the cliff performance-wise from one season to the next, that does not happen with any regularity.
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That's what I tried to tell everybody all offseason about Raul Ibanez.
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Yeah, but, like, what he's doing is quite unusual.http://www.thecubsbrickyard.com/sonsofivy/index.php?act=Post&CODE=02&f=7&t=1808&qpid=50497
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Right but he's not going to go from a terrific hitter to complete crap in a year or two. He has plenty left.
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This is the first year that he has made an All Star team and he played on some bad M's teams that needed a representative.
He has been a steady player, but I doubt that he will be worth it in year 3.
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Oh they needed 2 representatives? Ichiro's been voted into the All-Star Game 8 of the last 9 years.

[Clapp]

<!--quoteo(post=50523:date=Jul 18 2009, 01:37 PM:name=Runnys)-->QUOTE (Runnys @ Jul 18 2009, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50520:date=Jul 18 2009, 01:13 PM:name=Kid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid @ Jul 18 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->The Cubs received some good news on the injury front on Saturday.

Cubs left fielder Alfonso Soriano does not have a dislocated right finger, team officials told ESPN100's and ESPNChicago.com.

Soriano has a swollen, jammed finger and is expected to be in the lineup in the next couple of days.

Soriano injured the finger during Thursday's game with the Washington Nationals diving back to first base after making a wide turn on a single.

He was tagged out.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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DAMN!
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Yeah that's a real shame.

[jeffy]

<!--quoteo(post=50531:date=Jul 18 2009, 07:41 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Jul 18 2009, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50523:date=Jul 18 2009, 01:37 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ Jul 18 2009, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=50520:date=Jul 18 2009, 01:13 PM:name=Kid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid @ Jul 18 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->The Cubs received some good news on the injury front on Saturday.

Cubs left fielder Alfonso Soriano does not have a dislocated right finger, team officials told ESPN100's and ESPNChicago.com.

Soriano has a swollen, jammed finger and is expected to be in the lineup in the next couple of days.

Soriano injured the finger during Thursday's game with the Washington Nationals diving back to first base after making a wide turn on a single.

He was tagged out.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Link
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DAMN!
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Yeah that's a real shame.
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[rok]

I wouldn't at all be surprised to see Soriano go on a tear now for a month. Couldn't come at a better time too.