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<!--quoteo(post=109189:date=Aug 1 2010, 12:15 AM:name=Rappster)-->QUOTE (Rappster @ Aug 1 2010, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109181:date=Jul 31 2010, 10:22 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 31 2010, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109177:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:02 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 31 2010, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Man, I feel like a broken record. Samardzija's NTC is quite possibly the MOST justifiable one Hendry gave out. Samardzija had an enormous amount of leverage when we picked him. He could get selected in the first round of the NFL draft. In order to negate that leverage, Hendry had to overpay him, AND give him the NTC. That's just how it is. It's rather unremarkable.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If Samardzija had asked for $20 million ($30, $40, etc. million) in order to sway him from playing in the NFL, and Hendry had given it to him, would it still be unremarkable?
Of course not. It's a matter of drawing lines - at some point, Samardzija's demands would have been too much. Was $10 million and an NTC too much? I don't know. But I certainly wouldn't act as though folks who believe that was too much have brain damage.
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Once again...I don't recall a lot of bitching about this when it happened.
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As I said - and BT also missed/ignored - I'm not arguing that the $10 million contract with an NTC was wrong/bad/"remarkable." I'm simply saying that I can understand how someone COULD argue that a $10 million contract with an NTC was wrong/bad/remarkable. The discussion is not so obvious as to be treated with the dismissiveness that I was seeing. That's all.
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<!--quoteo(post=109198:date=Aug 1 2010, 07:58 AM:name=Giff)-->QUOTE (Giff @ Aug 1 2010, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109132:date=Jul 31 2010, 08:55 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 31 2010, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109131:date=Jul 31 2010, 09:44 PM:name=Kid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid @ Jul 31 2010, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Given how he's pitched in Iowa, and the fact that we're paying him $3.5 million this year, I don't know why they don't call up Samardzija to start instead of Diamond. What do we have to lose?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's mind-boggling, unless he's just really, really pissed the organization off for some reason. It's clear he has no trade value right now, and he's not going to rehabilitate the value in AAA... so, you said it perfectly: what do they have to lose by starting Samardzija?
I'm fine with Diamond getting a chance (or Jackson), but, it's weird.
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I'm guessing it's only because it closer to Diamond's scheduled day to pitch than it is to Samardzija's. Of course, if Diamond gets more than one or two starts without a look at Shark, then yeah, it's pretty weird.
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Samardzija started yesterday. They pushed Lilly/Diamond's start back from Monday to Tuesday. They could have called up Samardzija and had him make the start on Monday.
This is not some silly theory that's unsupported and deserves being mocked by photos of Xena. ![[Image: ITgoyeg.png]](http://i.imgur.com/ITgoyeg.png)
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<!--quoteo(post=109205:date=Aug 1 2010, 09:52 AM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Aug 1 2010, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109189:date=Aug 1 2010, 12:15 AM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Aug 1 2010, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109181:date=Jul 31 2010, 10:22 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 31 2010, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109177:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:02 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 31 2010, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Man, I feel like a broken record. Samardzija's NTC is quite possibly the MOST justifiable one Hendry gave out. Samardzija had an enormous amount of leverage when we picked him. He could get selected in the first round of the NFL draft. In order to negate that leverage, Hendry had to overpay him, AND give him the NTC. That's just how it is. It's rather unremarkable.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If Samardzija had asked for $20 million ($30, $40, etc. million) in order to sway him from playing in the NFL, and Hendry had given it to him, would it still be unremarkable?
Of course not. It's a matter of drawing lines - at some point, Samardzija's demands would have been too much. Was $10 million and an NTC too much? I don't know. But I certainly wouldn't act as though folks who believe that was too much have brain damage.
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Once again...I don't recall a lot of bitching about this when it happened.
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As I said - and BT also missed/ignored - I'm not arguing that the $10 million contract with an NTC was wrong/bad/"remarkable." I'm simply saying that I can understand how someone COULD argue that a $10 million contract with an NTC was wrong/bad/remarkable. The discussion is not so obvious as to be treated with the dismissiveness that I was seeing. That's all.
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OK...got that. I don't like the contract either, and...in all honesty...with or without an NTC, it seemed pretty curious to me at the time.
That said...the Cubs and Bears have always had a fascination with Notre Dame players, because they traditionally share(d) a common fan base. So, I figured there was some marketing involved, and that Samardzija was just in the right place at the right time.
Still...if you're measuring Hendry on the signing, it's hard to put it in the "win" column. Also remember that Samardzija is still young, some pitchers do take more time than others to get it, and he's been reasonably steady down in Iowa.
By the way...before this edit, I had spelled Samardzija three different ways in one post. We really need to fix immigration.
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<!--quoteo(post=109203:date=Aug 1 2010, 09:10 AM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Aug 1 2010, 09:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109201:date=Aug 1 2010, 08:19 AM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Aug 1 2010, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109190:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:16 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Jul 31 2010, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109188:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:08 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jul 31 2010, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Just for reference, Golden Tate of Notre Dame signed with the Seahawks for four years worth just north of $3.5M with not all of it being guaranteed. He was a 2nd rounder, and very comparable to Shark. Add in the fact that Clausen gets just $2M in guaranteed money, and you see why Shark is playing baseball. That said, despite having to pay out his NFL career, Hendry did so based on 1st Round NFL money, which Shark was banking on.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So if Matt Damon was say, a skilled accountant...you should pay him what he'd make for his next film to do your taxes for you because otherwise, it's not worth his while?
How about you just say...no, it's still only worth the cost of any other tax preparer to me and then you let Matt go make his movie?
Yeah, you have to pay the opportunity costs to someone that you want to make a career change...but that's what make it a shit deal. Shark's pitching skills aren't worth more than another guy with the same skills but that doesn't play football.
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First off...Matt Damon has one of the most remarkable minds on the planet, and does complex mathematical algorithms for fun, so I'm pretty freaking sure he could do your taxes. Add this to the cool factor of actually having Will Hunting calculate your exemptions, and I'm down for paying a few extra bucks.
However, your argument misses because the examples don't line up. Playing in the NFL has roughly the same pay scale and allure of playing Major League Baseball. Accounting typically does not...so, in this case, you've compared being a rich, international film star to having a day job at H&R Block.
Hendry was bidding against an equally enticing potential career choice...
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If competing with the Vikings was no more expensive than competing with the Mets for his services, there would be no issue. Football players make major sports coin from day one. They don't spend 4 years barnstorming in East Jesus. A Strasburg comes along once or twice a decade. The number of ballplayers that it's not stupid to pay millions to in their very first professional contract is a very small number.
The fact is, Hendry paid Matt Damon money for Ben Affleck, hell..<i>.Casey</i> Affleck ROI.
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Casey owns Ben. You had it right the first time.
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<!--quoteo(post=109213:date=Aug 1 2010, 10:18 AM:name=biggz)-->QUOTE (biggz @ Aug 1 2010, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109203:date=Aug 1 2010, 09:10 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Aug 1 2010, 09:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109201:date=Aug 1 2010, 08:19 AM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Aug 1 2010, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109190:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:16 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Jul 31 2010, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109188:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:08 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jul 31 2010, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Just for reference, Golden Tate of Notre Dame signed with the Seahawks for four years worth just north of $3.5M with not all of it being guaranteed. He was a 2nd rounder, and very comparable to Shark. Add in the fact that Clausen gets just $2M in guaranteed money, and you see why Shark is playing baseball. That said, despite having to pay out his NFL career, Hendry did so based on 1st Round NFL money, which Shark was banking on.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So if Matt Damon was say, a skilled accountant...you should pay him what he'd make for his next film to do your taxes for you because otherwise, it's not worth his while?
How about you just say...no, it's still only worth the cost of any other tax preparer to me and then you let Matt go make his movie?
Yeah, you have to pay the opportunity costs to someone that you want to make a career change...but that's what make it a shit deal. Shark's pitching skills aren't worth more than another guy with the same skills but that doesn't play football.
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First off...Matt Damon has one of the most remarkable minds on the planet, and does complex mathematical algorithms for fun, so I'm pretty freaking sure he could do your taxes. Add this to the cool factor of actually having Will Hunting calculate your exemptions, and I'm down for paying a few extra bucks.
However, your argument misses because the examples don't line up. Playing in the NFL has roughly the same pay scale and allure of playing Major League Baseball. Accounting typically does not...so, in this case, you've compared being a rich, international film star to having a day job at H&R Block.
Hendry was bidding against an equally enticing potential career choice...
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If competing with the Vikings was no more expensive than competing with the Mets for his services, there would be no issue. Football players make major sports coin from day one. They don't spend 4 years barnstorming in East Jesus. A Strasburg comes along once or twice a decade. The number of ballplayers that it's not stupid to pay millions to in their very first professional contract is a very small number.
The fact is, Hendry paid Matt Damon money for Ben Affleck, hell..<i>.Casey</i> Affleck ROI.
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Casey owns Ben. You had it right the first time.
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Not in terms of ROI. Ben owns Casey at the box office. Matt's a movie star that can act. Ben's a movie star that can't act. Casey's an actor.
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<!--quoteo(post=109218:date=Aug 1 2010, 11:03 AM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Aug 1 2010, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109213:date=Aug 1 2010, 10:18 AM:name=biggz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (biggz @ Aug 1 2010, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109203:date=Aug 1 2010, 09:10 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Aug 1 2010, 09:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109201:date=Aug 1 2010, 08:19 AM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Aug 1 2010, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109190:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:16 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Jul 31 2010, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109188:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:08 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jul 31 2010, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Just for reference, Golden Tate of Notre Dame signed with the Seahawks for four years worth just north of $3.5M with not all of it being guaranteed. He was a 2nd rounder, and very comparable to Shark. Add in the fact that Clausen gets just $2M in guaranteed money, and you see why Shark is playing baseball. That said, despite having to pay out his NFL career, Hendry did so based on 1st Round NFL money, which Shark was banking on.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So if Matt Damon was say, a skilled accountant...you should pay him what he'd make for his next film to do your taxes for you because otherwise, it's not worth his while?
How about you just say...no, it's still only worth the cost of any other tax preparer to me and then you let Matt go make his movie?
Yeah, you have to pay the opportunity costs to someone that you want to make a career change...but that's what make it a shit deal. Shark's pitching skills aren't worth more than another guy with the same skills but that doesn't play football.
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First off...Matt Damon has one of the most remarkable minds on the planet, and does complex mathematical algorithms for fun, so I'm pretty freaking sure he could do your taxes. Add this to the cool factor of actually having Will Hunting calculate your exemptions, and I'm down for paying a few extra bucks.
However, your argument misses because the examples don't line up. Playing in the NFL has roughly the same pay scale and allure of playing Major League Baseball. Accounting typically does not...so, in this case, you've compared being a rich, international film star to having a day job at H&R Block.
Hendry was bidding against an equally enticing potential career choice...
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If competing with the Vikings was no more expensive than competing with the Mets for his services, there would be no issue. Football players make major sports coin from day one. They don't spend 4 years barnstorming in East Jesus. A Strasburg comes along once or twice a decade. The number of ballplayers that it's not stupid to pay millions to in their very first professional contract is a very small number.
The fact is, Hendry paid Matt Damon money for Ben Affleck, hell..<i>.Casey</i> Affleck ROI.
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Casey owns Ben. You had it right the first time.
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Not in terms of ROI. Ben owns Casey at the box office. Matt's a movie star that can act. Ben's a movie star that can't act. Casey's an actor.
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I suppose it would have helped me to look up ROI first before I responded.
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For those of you who follow the minors closely, what's Diamond's story? Do they like him a lot? I was kind of surprised that he got the call up.
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<!--quoteo(post=109224:date=Aug 1 2010, 11:27 AM:name=funkster)-->QUOTE (funkster @ Aug 1 2010, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->For those of you who follow the minors closely, what's Diamond's story? Do they like him a lot? I was kind of surprised that he got the call up.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Former phenom from the Rangers organization. Had Tommy John surgery, was released and we picked him up last year. He's been pitching really well aside from his last few starts. He could pan out, maybe not. He has intrigued me since we signed him. He's still 27, so we'll see. Good potential if he avoids further injury.
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<!--quoteo(post=109222:date=Aug 1 2010, 11:20 AM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Aug 1 2010, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->My (long) take on the deal and the players: http://www.bleachernation.com/2010/08/01/b...cubs-prospects/<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
FWIW...I was just looking at DeWitt's minor league stats, which really weren't too shabby. If he can duplicate them at the MLB-level, I'll take him at 2B.
And...I thought your take on the Lilly deal was spot on, AC...
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<!--quoteo(post=109232:date=Aug 1 2010, 01:48 PM:name=Rappster)-->QUOTE (Rappster @ Aug 1 2010, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->And...I thought your take on the Lilly deal was spot on, AC...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree...Ace brought his A game.
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RBI double in DeWitt's first AB
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FWIW Dewitt was rushed to the bigs because of an injury to the Dodgers 2008 starting 3B...Nomar G.
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<!--quoteo(post=109237:date=Aug 1 2010, 04:08 PM:name=MW4)-->QUOTE (MW4 @ Aug 1 2010, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->FWIW Dewitt was rushed to the bigs because of an injury to the Dodgers 2008 starting 3B...Nomar G.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bigs, yes - but he was rushed through their system as a whole for three years (for reasons unclear).
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