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<!--quoteo(post=108500:date=Jul 28 2010, 03:25 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 28 2010, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->My fear is that the fans have already turned on him and he's going to get booed at Wrigley. That's going to just fuck up his head even more. I hate to say it, but we might need to just cut our losses before this gets any worse.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think we will in the upcoming offseason, but we won't get anything out of the deal, we'll end up paying most of his remaining contract, and one way or another it will most likely come back to bite us in the behind.
I just hope Z doesn't end up on the south side, or at the very least he needs to be out of the NL so that we don't have to face him ever.
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<!--quoteo(post=108500:date=Jul 28 2010, 04:25 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 28 2010, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->My fear is that the fans have already turned on him and he's going to get booed at Wrigley. That's going to just fuck up his head even more.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why do you think he's coming back on the road?
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<!--quoteo(post=108548:date=Jul 28 2010, 05:12 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 28 2010, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108500:date=Jul 28 2010, 04:25 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 28 2010, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->My fear is that the fans have already turned on him and he's going to get booed at Wrigley. That's going to just fuck up his head even more.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why do you think he's coming back on the road?
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He'll have to show his face at Wrigley at some point.
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<!--quoteo(post=108961:date=Jul 30 2010, 07:42 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jul 30 2010, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Z is willing to waive his no trade clause now that no one wants him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mission accomplished, I guess. I hope Hendry is happy.
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<!--quoteo(post=108968:date=Jul 30 2010, 08:10 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 30 2010, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108961:date=Jul 30 2010, 07:42 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jul 30 2010, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Z is willing to waive his no trade clause now that no one wants him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mission accomplished, I guess. I hope Hendry is happy.
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Not to be outdone, Olney adds this insightful little gem.
http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/19935577489
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Heard this: The Cubs are resigned to the fact that if they are going to trade Carlos Zambrano, it will happen in the winter. #trades<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--quoteo(post=108969:date=Jul 30 2010, 08:17 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jul 30 2010, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108968:date=Jul 30 2010, 08:10 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 30 2010, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108961:date=Jul 30 2010, 07:42 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jul 30 2010, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Z is willing to waive his no trade clause now that no one wants him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mission accomplished, I guess. I hope Hendry is happy.
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Not to be outdone, Olney adds this insightful little gem.
http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/19935577489
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Heard this: The Cubs are resigned to the fact that if they are going to trade Carlos Zambrano, it will happen in the winter. #trades<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Good find, rok. Surprised he didn't save that for his Insider column ...
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<!--quoteo(post=108968:date=Jul 30 2010, 08:10 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 30 2010, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108961:date=Jul 30 2010, 07:42 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jul 30 2010, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Z is willing to waive his no trade clause now that no one wants him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mission accomplished, I guess. I hope Hendry is happy.
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I'm sure he's thrilled. Because the logical idea is that he wanted to drive down the value of a guy he signed to a 90 million dollar contract, so he could trade him for cents on the dollar. Because that would totally reflect well on his tenure.
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<!--quoteo(post=108997:date=Jul 31 2010, 01:12 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Jul 31 2010, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108968:date=Jul 30 2010, 08:10 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 30 2010, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108961:date=Jul 30 2010, 07:42 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jul 30 2010, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Z is willing to waive his no trade clause now that no one wants him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mission accomplished, I guess. I hope Hendry is happy.
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I'm sure he's thrilled. Because the logical idea is that he wanted to drive down the value of a guy he signed to a 90 million dollar contract, so he could trade him for cents on the dollar. Because that would totally reflect well on his tenure.
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Since you are good at bringing things around to a calmer, more rational view of Hendry's actions...what insight can you offer into his tendency to throw expensive players under the media bus when they go nuts and may need to be dealt?
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Cubs turned down an offer for Zambrano already: Oliver Perez and Luis Castillo.
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<!--quoteo(post=108997:date=Jul 31 2010, 01:12 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Jul 31 2010, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108968:date=Jul 30 2010, 08:10 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 30 2010, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108961:date=Jul 30 2010, 07:42 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jul 30 2010, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Z is willing to waive his no trade clause now that no one wants him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mission accomplished, I guess. I hope Hendry is happy.
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I'm sure he's thrilled. Because the logical idea is that he wanted to drive down the value of a guy he signed to a 90 million dollar contract, so he could trade him for cents on the dollar. Because that would totally reflect well on his tenure.
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But by putting Zambrano in the bullpen, isn't that exactly what he did?
Wang.
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<!--quoteo(post=108998:date=Jul 31 2010, 07:50 AM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Jul 31 2010, 07:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108997:date=Jul 31 2010, 01:12 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 31 2010, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108968:date=Jul 30 2010, 08:10 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 30 2010, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108961:date=Jul 30 2010, 07:42 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jul 30 2010, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Z is willing to waive his no trade clause now that no one wants him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mission accomplished, I guess. I hope Hendry is happy.
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I'm sure he's thrilled. Because the logical idea is that he wanted to drive down the value of a guy he signed to a 90 million dollar contract, so he could trade him for cents on the dollar. Because that would totally reflect well on his tenure.
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Since you are good at bringing things around to a calmer, more rational view of Hendry's actions...what insight can you offer into his tendency to throw expensive players under the media bus when they go nuts and may need to be dealt?
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I guess if you consider admitting to the human beings on the planet with a functioning brain cell that Bradley and Zambrano might not be the bestest teammates ever "throwing them under the bus", then Hendry is guilty.
I'm sure, had Hendry kept his mouth shut, we'd be deluged with offers for Zambrano right now. Because that's totally the kind of thing that opposing teams only find out about when GM's talk about it in public.
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Mission accomplished, I guess. I hope Hendry is happy.
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I'm sure he's thrilled. Because the logical idea is that he wanted to drive down the value of a guy he signed to a 90 million dollar contract, so he could trade him for cents on the dollar. Because that would totally reflect well on his tenure.
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But by putting Zambrano in the bullpen, isn't that exactly what he did?
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No, that's not exactly what he did. He put him in the bullpen because he thought there were 5 other guys who would do a better job. Did Hendry put Z back into the rotation, because he somehow knew Zambrano would completely fucking melt down in front of the cameras?
If you guys honestly believe this was all a plot so Hendry could get Z to drop his no trade clause, then I don't know what to tell you. If you honestly believe this was a plan by Hendry to devalue a 90 million dollar investment HE made, I don't know what to tell you. If you honestly believe a GM who is fighting to hold onto his job would INTENTIONALLY throw a guy with a contract like Zambrano's under the bus, I don't know what to tell you.
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<!--quoteo(post=109004:date=Jul 31 2010, 09:58 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Jul 31 2010, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109002:date=Jul 31 2010, 09:35 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jul 31 2010, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108997:date=Jul 31 2010, 01:12 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 31 2010, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108968:date=Jul 30 2010, 08:10 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 30 2010, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108961:date=Jul 30 2010, 07:42 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jul 30 2010, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Z is willing to waive his no trade clause now that no one wants him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mission accomplished, I guess. I hope Hendry is happy.
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I'm sure he's thrilled. Because the logical idea is that he wanted to drive down the value of a guy he signed to a 90 million dollar contract, so he could trade him for cents on the dollar. Because that would totally reflect well on his tenure.
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But by putting Zambrano in the bullpen, isn't that exactly what he did?
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No, that's not exactly what he did. He put him in the bullpen because he thought there were 5 other guys who would do a better job. Did Hendry put Z back into the rotation, because he somehow knew Zambrano would completely fucking melt down in front of the cameras?
If you guys honestly believe this was all a plot so Hendry could get Z to drop his no trade clause, then I don't know what to tell you. If you honestly believe this was a plan by Hendry to devalue a 90 million dollar investment HE made, I don't know what to tell you. If you honestly believe a GM who is fighting to hold onto his job would INTENTIONALLY throw a guy with a contract like Zambrano's under the bus, I don't know what to tell you.
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Yeah I think BT is pretty spot on.
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