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Drafting - Andy - 01-31-2009
I was looking at what the Cubs have done in the draft and it started to really sink in just how poorly the team has drafted over the years. Considering that, if I remember correctly, roughly 30% of all 1st round players end up eventually in the Majors, we suck!
Here are the Cubs first round draft picks for the past 15 years.
2008 - Andrew Cashner
2007 - Josh Vitters, Josh Donaldson
2006 - Tyler Colvin
2005 - Mark Pawelek
2004 - No 1st round picks
2003 - Ryan Harvey
2002 - Bobby Brownlie, Luke Haggerty, Chadd Blasko, Mathew Clanton
2001 - Mark Prior
2000 - Luis Montanez
1999 - Ben Christianson
1998 - Corey Patterson
1997 - Jon Garland
1996 - Todd Noel
1995 - Kerry Wood
1994 - Jayson Peterson
Drafting - Fella - 01-31-2009
<!--quoteo(post=14992:date=Jan 31 2009, 08:17 AM:name=Andy)-->QUOTE (Andy @ Jan 31 2009, 08:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Considering that, if I remember correctly, roughly 30% of all 1st round players end up eventually in the Majors, we suck!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually its over 60%
So yeah..... pretty sad.
Drafting - Ace - 01-31-2009
Who the fuck is Jayson Peterson?
Drafting - Andy - 01-31-2009
Thanks Fella, I couldn't remember the stat and obviously I was way off.
The 2000's have been particularly bad. I'm wondering if this is our scouting, our development, bad luck or all 3. Regardless, we haven't had a 1st rounder make it since Prior. This drafting is almost forcing us to use free agency and trades to create the team.
Drafting - Brock - 01-31-2009
What happened to Mark Pawelek? He's hardly pitched since '06.
Drafting - PcB - 01-31-2009
I want Montanez back [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mellow.gif[/img]
Drafting - Scarey - 01-31-2009
<!--quoteo(post=14999:date=Jan 31 2009, 11:16 AM:name=Brock)-->QUOTE (Brock @ Jan 31 2009, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->What happened to Mark Pawelek? He's hardly pitched since '06.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's still in the organization, he just hasn't done shit since his injury. My theory, he learned how to suck his own dick so he has no motivation to earn the big buck so he can get other people to sick his dick for him.
Drafting - Mikey - 01-31-2009
<!--quoteo(post=14995:date=Jan 31 2009, 09:52 AM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 31 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Who the fuck is Jayson Peterson?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/j...-peterson.shtml
Was in A ball for 5 years.
Drafting - Auz - 02-01-2009
I think the Shark is unofficially our 1st round pick of 2006. Especially considering what we paid for him.
Drafting - Quinn - 02-02-2009
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->2002 - Bobby Brownlie, Luke Haggerty, Chadd Blasko, Mathew Clanton<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow. Four picks and all of them busts. How awful.
Drafting - BT - 02-05-2009
There is no defending the fact that the Cubs have done a pretty miserable job drafting the past few years, but pretty much EVERY team has a first round draft pick list like this. Also, bear in mind, that chart is including supplemental first rounders, which are essentially high second round picks.
For instance, the Braves seem to have a pretty good organization. Since drafting Chipper Jones, they have selected 2 guys who were any good (Francour, Wainwright), with 13 first round picks.
Then there are drafts like 2000, when there were exactly three players taken after Montenez, who made any impact at the major league level at all (Baldelli, Utley, Wainwright).
I'm not saying the Cubs have been good, as they clearly haven't. It's just that lists like this always make it seem worse than it really is.
Drafting - PcB - 02-05-2009
<!--quoteo(post=16200:date=Feb 5 2009, 09:51 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Feb 5 2009, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->There is no defending the fact that the Cubs have done a pretty miserable job drafting the past few years, but pretty much EVERY team has a first round draft pick list like this. Also, bear in mind, that chart is including supplemental first rounders, which are essentially high second round picks.
For instance, the Braves seem to have a pretty good organization. Since drafting Chipper Jones, they have selected 2 guys who were any good (Francour, Wainwright), with 13 first round picks.
Then there are drafts like 2000, when there were exactly three players taken after Montenez, who made any impact at the major league level at all (Baldelli, Utley, Wainwright).
I'm not saying the Cubs have been good, as they clearly haven't. It's just that lists like this always make it seem worse than it really is.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You don't happen to head up the Cubs farm system do you?
Drafting - BT - 02-05-2009
<!--quoteo(post=16219:date=Feb 5 2009, 11:36 AM:name=PcB)-->QUOTE (PcB @ Feb 5 2009, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=16200:date=Feb 5 2009, 09:51 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Feb 5 2009, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->There is no defending the fact that the Cubs have done a pretty miserable job drafting the past few years, but pretty much EVERY team has a first round draft pick list like this. Also, bear in mind, that chart is including supplemental first rounders, which are essentially high second round picks.
For instance, the Braves seem to have a pretty good organization. Since drafting Chipper Jones, they have selected 2 guys who were any good (Francour, Wainwright), with 13 first round picks.
Then there are drafts like 2000, when there were exactly three players taken after Montenez, who made any impact at the major league level at all (Baldelli, Utley, Wainwright).
I'm not saying the Cubs have been good, as they clearly haven't. It's just that lists like this always make it seem worse than it really is.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You don't happen to head up the Cubs farm system do you?
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, I'm a complete suck up. Nothing pleases the man like using terms such as "miserable" when describing the job I do.
Drafting - Andy - 02-05-2009
1994 - 27 of 34 1st round picks made the majors. 9 still on MLB roster. 1994 Draft.
1995 - 19 of 30, 12 on MLB roster. 1995 Draft.
1996 - 22 of 35, 12 on MLB roster.
1997 - 31 of 52, 20 on MLB roster.
1998 - 30 of 43, 21 on MLB roster.
1999 - 23 of 51, 19 on MLB roster.
2000 - 23 of 40, 19 on MLB roster.
2001 - 25 of 44, 22 on MLB roster.
2002 - 25 of 41, 24 on MLB roster.
2003 - 25 of 37, 24 on MLB roster.
2004 - 24 of 41, 24 on MLB roster.
2005 - 23 of 48, 23 on MLB roster.
2006 - 14 of 44, 14 on MLB roster.
2007 - 4 of 64, 4 on MLB roster.
2008 - 1 of 46, 1 on MLB roster.
I'm going to remove 2006-2008, because most haven't made it to the major's yet.
Otherwise, it's 297/496 or 60%. The Cubs have had 4 (Wood, Garland, Patterson & Prior) of 14 in that time for 29%.
This doesn't take into account the quality of the player, but it does say that either we draft poorly or our farm system doesn't do a very good job of developing these players.
Drafting - Brock - 02-05-2009
Who is the 2008 draft pick that has already made it to the majors?