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LaRussa and Duncan accuse Arroyo of cheating - Butcher - 10-01-2009
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->CINCINNATI -- Reds pitcher Bronson Arroyo has denied accusations by the St. Louis Cardinals that he used pine tar to get better grips on pitches.
St. Louis manager Tony La Russa and pitching coach Dave Duncan both told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch the stain on the bill of Arroyo's cap was pine tar that helped him grip balls during a 6-1 victory Wednesday. Cardinals starter John Smoltz found balls slippery and walked five in four innings.
Duncan said umpires assured him balls were properly rubbed. New baseballs are rubbed by clubhouse attendants with a special mud designed to give pitchers a better grip.
Arroyo said the stain on his cap is residue from mud used to rub baseballs at other ballparks.
"It's from playing in every other park where there's so much mud on the balls that that black stuff comes off on young fingers every time," Arroyo said. "I guess [Duncan] said I went to my hat time after time. Yeah, I do 8,000 other twitches. What you want me to do about it? That's how I pitch.
"I guarantee when I pitch against the Cardinals next year, I'll call over and tell Dave Duncan I'm wearing a brand new hat."
Reds manager Dusty Baker said the Cardinals have their own experience with doctored caps.
"If anybody should know, it would be Duncan," Baker said. "I remember they had Julian Tavarez over there. They threw his hat out, remember that? His hat was all messed up. It's not like it's something new."
Tavarez, then with the Cardinals, was suspended for eight days by Major League Baseball in 2004 for applying a foreign substance to balls during a game against Pittsburgh that Aug. 24.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
LaRussa and Duncan accuse Arroyo of cheating - 1060Ivy - 10-01-2009
Smoltz sounded like a bitch on SportsCenter.
The guy walked 13 batters in the previous 14 games and then walks 5 guys in this game. It's strange but it comes off as the Tard birds bitching and moaning.
They reported the ball issue to the ump and the ump provide new balls but Smoltz keep walking batters so I don't know what the ump should have done differently.
Funny how the balls in questioned seemed to help Arroyo but not Smoltz.
LaRussa and Duncan accuse Arroyo of cheating - Dirk - 10-01-2009
<!--quoteo(post=64912:date=Oct 1 2009, 03:15 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Oct 1 2009, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->
Duncan said umpires assured him balls were properly rubbed.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Ha ha. Balls.
LaRussa and Duncan accuse Arroyo of cheating - kbwsb - 10-01-2009
It seems like "pine tar on a white baseball" would be the easiest thing to check in the world.
LaRussa and Duncan accuse Arroyo of cheating - jeffy - 10-01-2009
What a bunch of babies.
LaRussa and Duncan accuse Arroyo of cheating - ruby23 - 10-01-2009
Arroyo is a known cheater, just sayin'.
LaRussa and Duncan accuse Arroyo of cheating - leonardsipes - 10-01-2009
Carpenter had the correct response. 5 scoreless innings and six RBI.
LaRussa and Duncan accuse Arroyo of cheating - Coldneck - 10-01-2009
<!--quoteo(post=64921:date=Oct 1 2009, 07:17 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Oct 1 2009, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Arroyo is a known cheater, just sayin'.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really, I've never heard that before. Are you saying that because he admitted to taking supplements?
LaRussa and Duncan accuse Arroyo of cheating - biggz - 10-02-2009
<!--quoteo(post=64933:date=Oct 1 2009, 08:47 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Oct 1 2009, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=64921:date=Oct 1 2009, 07:17 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Oct 1 2009, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Arroyo is a known cheater, just sayin'.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really, I've never heard that before. Are you saying that because he admitted to taking supplements?
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http://deadspin.com/5336642/bronson-arroyo...ing-in-his-body
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Arroyo says in a must-read interview with <i>USA Today</i> that he's pretty sure that he's on The List of failed tests from 2003, because he "took androstenedione the same way I took my multivitamins." And the guy takes <i>a lot</i> of multivitamins.
Quote: "I take 10 to 12 different things a day, and on the days I pitch, there's four more things. There's a caffeine drink I take from a company that (former teammate) Curt Schilling introduced me to in '05. I take some Korean ginseng and a few other proteins out there that are not certified. But I haven't failed any tests, so I figured I'm good."But there's more! Arroyo basically calls out everyone—saying owners care way more about making money than they do about winning (probably true!), Americans who fill their bodies with junk food couldn't care less about steroids (also probably true!), and nobody gives a crap about what Manny Ramirez or Bronson Arroyo do to their bodies.
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Quote: I can see where guys like Hank Aaron and some of the old-timers have a beef with it," Arroyo says. "But as far as looking at Manny Ramirez like he's (serial killer) Ted Bundy, you're out of your mind. At the end of the day, you think anybody really (cares) whether Manny Ramirez's kidneys fail and he dies at 50?He says that to gain an edge he also took amphetamines for nearly nine years from 1998 to 2006 and that, as a minor leaguer in 1999, he was stopped by customs agents in Canada while trying to cross the border with such pills.
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<b>More excerpts from the linked Washington Post article:</b>
"When you're trying to establish yourself and you've got people saying, 'Try this, it will help you get stronger,' " Arroyo says, "I'm trying (it). There was nothing to be caught about because nobody was testing."
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"People can think what they want of me," he says. "I don't give a f—-."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Interesting stuff from a couple months ago.
LaRussa and Duncan accuse Arroyo of cheating - 1060Ivy - 10-02-2009
<!--quoteo(post=64921:date=Oct 1 2009, 06:17 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Oct 1 2009, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Arroyo is a known cheater, just sayin'.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It isn't cheating until your caught.