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Pace of Play and Long Games - kbwsb - 04-13-2010
Umpire Joe west ignited a firestorm for ragging on the Yankees and Red Sox for dawdling during their nearly 4 hour games. I was wondering if you guys feel the same way about speeding up games.
I'm always surprised to hear a lot of people say "don't change a thing." Maybe some of you feel that way. Personally, I've always detested the Nomar-between-pitches bullshit, the 7 throw-overs to keep a runner 2 inches closer to 1st base, the needless trips to the mound by the catcher, etc.
Thoughts?
Pace of Play and Long Games - Andy - 04-13-2010
Doug Davis yesterday was agonizing! If a game stays under 3 hours for a standard 9-inning game, I'm ok with it. I tend to think pitchers lead to longer games than batters, but I have nothing to back that up.
Pace of Play and Long Games - jstraw - 04-13-2010
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I'm not even sure Mike Hargrove would be considered slow in this era.
I'd much rather see an ump get this in hand than all of that Jim Joyce B.S. If I notice an ump...I hope it's for something I'm grateful for.
Pace of Play and Long Games - 1060Ivy - 04-13-2010
George Will had an interest take on how the pace of the game has changed over the years. His thinking was that the changes in the strike zone and the umpires interpretation of the zone has had the biggest impact on the pace of the game. As the zone has shrunk, the pace has slowed. His recommendation was to enforce a larger strike zone uniformly across the league.
I don't know if I agree with his thinking but it was an interesting approach to the issue.
Pace of Play and Long Games - Butcher - 04-13-2010
Shorten the games to 7 innings and we might have a shot this season.
Pace of Play and Long Games - kbwsb - 04-13-2010
1. Larger strike zone
2. Batter must stay in box for entire at-bat
3. limit of one catcher visit to mound per batter, or two per inning
These seem like completely obvious, easy changes. Would anyone actually object?
Pace of Play and Long Games - PcB - 04-13-2010
<!--quoteo(post=88631:date=Apr 13 2010, 03:13 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Apr 13 2010, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->1. Larger strike zone
2. Batter must stay in box for entire at-bat
3. limit of one catcher visit to mound per batter, or two per inning
These seem like completely obvious, easy changes. Would anyone actually object?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't really like #2, but I can support the other 2 ideas.
Pace of Play and Long Games - kbwsb - 04-13-2010
<!--quoteo(post=88634:date=Apr 13 2010, 04:14 PM:name=PcB)-->QUOTE (PcB @ Apr 13 2010, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=88631:date=Apr 13 2010, 03:13 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Apr 13 2010, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->1. Larger strike zone
2. Batter must stay in box for entire at-bat
3. limit of one catcher visit to mound per batter, or two per inning
These seem like completely obvious, easy changes. Would anyone actually object?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't really like #2, but I can support the other 2 ideas.
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If the guy has a mosquito in his eye, sure, let him step out. But the Nick Swisher-type thing of adjusting his gloves, staring at his bat, adjusting his cup, and taking a few practice swings <i>between every pitch</i> has got to stop.
Pace of Play and Long Games - PcB - 04-13-2010
<!--quoteo(post=88641:date=Apr 13 2010, 03:21 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Apr 13 2010, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=88634:date=Apr 13 2010, 04:14 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Apr 13 2010, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=88631:date=Apr 13 2010, 03:13 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Apr 13 2010, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->1. Larger strike zone
2. Batter must stay in box for entire at-bat
3. limit of one catcher visit to mound per batter, or two per inning
These seem like completely obvious, easy changes. Would anyone actually object?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't really like #2, but I can support the other 2 ideas.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If the guy has a mosquito in his eye, sure, let him step out. But the Nick Swisher-type thing of adjusting his gloves, staring at his bat, adjusting his cup, and taking a few practice swings <i>between every pitch</i> has got to stop.
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I think it helps a hitter get comfortable and stay loose. If you take that away you may as well not allow them to take infield between innings or call time when they steal a base. I don't think it's a large enough problem to go makes rules about it.
Pace of Play and Long Games - Butcher - 04-13-2010
<!--quoteo(post=88645:date=Apr 13 2010, 04:26 PM:name=PcB)-->QUOTE (PcB @ Apr 13 2010, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=88641:date=Apr 13 2010, 03:21 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Apr 13 2010, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=88634:date=Apr 13 2010, 04:14 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Apr 13 2010, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=88631:date=Apr 13 2010, 03:13 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Apr 13 2010, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->1. Larger strike zone
2. Batter must stay in box for entire at-bat
3. limit of one catcher visit to mound per batter, or two per inning
These seem like completely obvious, easy changes. Would anyone actually object?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't really like #2, but I can support the other 2 ideas.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If the guy has a mosquito in his eye, sure, let him step out. But the Nick Swisher-type thing of adjusting his gloves, staring at his bat, adjusting his cup, and taking a few practice swings <i>between every pitch</i> has got to stop.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think it helps a hitter get comfortable and stay loose. If you take that away you may as well not allow them to take infield between innings or call time when they steal a base. I don't think it's a large enough problem to go makes rules about it.
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If he said anyone else but Swisher, you would have agreed with him.
Pace of Play and Long Games - PcB - 04-13-2010
<!--quoteo(post=88649:date=Apr 13 2010, 03:35 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 13 2010, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=88645:date=Apr 13 2010, 04:26 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Apr 13 2010, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=88641:date=Apr 13 2010, 03:21 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Apr 13 2010, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=88634:date=Apr 13 2010, 04:14 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Apr 13 2010, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=88631:date=Apr 13 2010, 03:13 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Apr 13 2010, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->1. Larger strike zone
2. Batter must stay in box for entire at-bat
3. limit of one catcher visit to mound per batter, or two per inning
These seem like completely obvious, easy changes. Would anyone actually object?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't really like #2, but I can support the other 2 ideas.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If the guy has a mosquito in his eye, sure, let him step out. But the Nick Swisher-type thing of adjusting his gloves, staring at his bat, adjusting his cup, and taking a few practice swings <i>between every pitch</i> has got to stop.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think it helps a hitter get comfortable and stay loose. If you take that away you may as well not allow them to take infield between innings or call time when they steal a base. I don't think it's a large enough problem to go makes rules about it.
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If he said anyone else but Swisher, you would have agreed with him.
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I just don't think it's a problem. My love for Swish has nothing to do with it.
Pace of Play and Long Games - bz - 04-14-2010
I just hate checking the baserunner over and over and over and over...
...other than that I hardly notice.
Pace of Play and Long Games - mindbodyspirit - 04-14-2010
<!--quoteo(post=88749:date=Apr 14 2010, 12:02 AM:name=bz)-->QUOTE (bz @ Apr 14 2010, 12:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I just hate checking the baserunner over and over and over and over...
...other than that I hardly notice.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah~ I especially detested Rick Sutcliffe's 3rd to 1st double "fake out" that he rarely even threw for. I'm surprised nobody's brought up Steve Trachsel here, often called the "one man rain delay" during his career.
There are things about the game that eat time, sometimes annoyingly. Just the same, I am a purist and wouldn't change a thing. If a 15 year-old has the attention span of a gnat from years of X-Box and Nintendo addiction, I don't want my game ruined to make him/her happier. If they want fast baseball, let them do it on the X-Box (which has an AWESOME game). The real MLB deal should remain professional baseball, not some sanitized, sped up hybrid of the game.
I also favor bringing back brush-back pitches, more lax "balk" rules, and banning the DH. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]
Pace of Play and Long Games - veryzer - 04-14-2010
<!--quoteo(post=88765:date=Apr 14 2010, 06:36 AM:name=mindbodyspirit)-->QUOTE (mindbodyspirit @ Apr 14 2010, 06:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=88749:date=Apr 14 2010, 12:02 AM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Apr 14 2010, 12:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I just hate checking the baserunner over and over and over and over...
...other than that I hardly notice.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah~ I especially detested Rick Sutcliffe's 3rd to 1st double "fake out" that he rarely even threw for. I'm surprised nobody's brought up Steve Trachsel here, often called the "one man rain delay" during his career.
There are things about the game that eat time, sometimes annoyingly. Just the same, I am a purist and wouldn't change a thing. If a 15 year-old has the attention span of a gnat from years of X-Box and Nintendo addiction, I don't want my game ruined to make him/her happier. If they want fast baseball, let them do it on the X-Box (which has an AWESOME game). The real MLB deal should remain professional baseball, not some sanitized, sped up hybrid of the game.
I also favor bringing back brush-back pitches, more lax "balk" rules, and banning the DH. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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BAM! Put me down for all of that.
Pace of Play and Long Games - jstraw - 04-14-2010
<!--quoteo(post=88765:date=Apr 14 2010, 06:36 AM:name=mindbodyspirit)-->QUOTE (mindbodyspirit @ Apr 14 2010, 06:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=88749:date=Apr 14 2010, 12:02 AM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Apr 14 2010, 12:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I just hate checking the baserunner over and over and over and over...
...other than that I hardly notice.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah~ I especially detested Rick Sutcliffe's 3rd to 1st double "fake out" that he rarely even threw for. I'm surprised nobody's brought up Steve Trachsel here, often called the "one man rain delay" during his career.
There are things about the game that eat time, sometimes annoyingly. Just the same, I am a purist and wouldn't change a thing. If a 15 year-old has the attention span of a gnat from years of X-Box and Nintendo addiction, I don't want my game ruined to make him/her happier. If they want fast baseball, let them do it on the X-Box (which has an AWESOME game). The real MLB deal should remain professional baseball, not some sanitized, sped up hybrid of the game.
I also favor bringing back brush-back pitches, more lax "balk" rules, and banning the DH. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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I brought up Mike Hargrove. Hargrove was "The Human Rain Delay."