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Cubs-Astros 7/27/09 - BT - 07-27-2009
<!--quoteo(post=52509:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:11 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 27 2009, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52505:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:08 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 27 2009, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52497:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:04 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 27 2009, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52481:date=Jul 27 2009, 09:52 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 27 2009, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I've said my peace. I'm just consistently astonished at baseball fans immediate reaction to blame the manager when the player completely fucks up. In this case, the manager is an idiot for not bringing in a right handed hitter to face a right handed pitcher, because it's somehow a guarantee that he would hit a flyball. Putting in the lefty who SHOULD be able to handle the bat is complete insanity.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you're going to call for a bunt, put in a guy who bunts from time to time. Valverde was all over the place. You send Bradley home when Valverde's pitch was as likely to be a foot outside as it was a strike? Stupid move for so many reasons. If we lose this game, it's on Lou.
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Of course it's Lou's fault. It's always Lou's fault when we lose. This will be just one of 40 games we lose this year that will be "on Lou", either because of pitching changes, batting order, or asking a guy to hit a bunt fair or foul.
I swear Butch, you would fucking read "Casey at the Bat", and blame the manager for letting Casey bat.
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C'mon BT, I think we all realize that blaming the manager for making bad decisions gets blown outta proportion. But you can't possibly think what Lou did in the 9th was anything but completely assinine.
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Yes, I completely can. You are welcome to disagree, but it was a high return/low risk move. There are only 2 ways it doesn't work. A popup, or Fontenot completely shitting the bed and being unable to FOUL OFF A FUCKING BUNT. For the record Bob and Len are just as crazy as I am.
Cubs-Astros 7/27/09 - Clapp - 07-27-2009
If we win this, I'll forget that inning ever happened. If we lose, it will haunt me for the rest of the season.
Cubs-Astros 7/27/09 - rok - 07-27-2009
Matsui is awesome.
Cubs-Astros 7/27/09 - Clapp - 07-27-2009
<!--quoteo(post=52516:date=Jul 27 2009, 09:15 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Jul 27 2009, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52509:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:11 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 27 2009, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52505:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:08 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 27 2009, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52497:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:04 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 27 2009, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52481:date=Jul 27 2009, 09:52 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 27 2009, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I've said my peace. I'm just consistently astonished at baseball fans immediate reaction to blame the manager when the player completely fucks up. In this case, the manager is an idiot for not bringing in a right handed hitter to face a right handed pitcher, because it's somehow a guarantee that he would hit a flyball. Putting in the lefty who SHOULD be able to handle the bat is complete insanity.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you're going to call for a bunt, put in a guy who bunts from time to time. Valverde was all over the place. You send Bradley home when Valverde's pitch was as likely to be a foot outside as it was a strike? Stupid move for so many reasons. If we lose this game, it's on Lou.
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Of course it's Lou's fault. It's always Lou's fault when we lose. This will be just one of 40 games we lose this year that will be "on Lou", either because of pitching changes, batting order, or asking a guy to hit a bunt fair or foul.
I swear Butch, you would fucking read "Casey at the Bat", and blame the manager for letting Casey bat.
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C'mon BT, I think we all realize that blaming the manager for making bad decisions gets blown outta proportion. But you can't possibly think what Lou did in the 9th was anything but completely assinine.
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Yes, I completely can. You are welcome to disagree, but it was a high return/low risk move. There are only 2 ways it doesn't work. A popup, or Fontenot completely shitting the bed and being unable to FOUL OFF A FUCKING BUNT. For the record Bob and Len are just as crazy as I am.
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Let's just all agree that each Lou and Fontenot fucked up. VERY questionable decisions by Lou, but Fontenot has to get the bat on the ball as well.
Cubs-Astros 7/27/09 - rok - 07-27-2009
Bradley has zero bat speed from the left side.
Cubs-Astros 7/27/09 - Butcher - 07-27-2009
<!--quoteo(post=52515:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:15 PM:name=Kid)-->QUOTE (Kid @ Jul 27 2009, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think the suicide squeeze was a mistake, but whatever happened to the "meh" mistake? Nobody can make any understandable mistakes anymore. Either it was the right move or it was the worst idea in the history of the world.
It was a mistake under the circumstances, but it was an understandable mistake.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's magnified because a walk, wild pitch, fly ball, or base hit wins the game. And you go with a squeeze?
Cubs-Astros 7/27/09 - BT - 07-27-2009
<!--quoteo(post=52512:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:12 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 27 2009, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52505:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:08 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 27 2009, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52497:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:04 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 27 2009, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52481:date=Jul 27 2009, 09:52 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 27 2009, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I've said my peace. I'm just consistently astonished at baseball fans immediate reaction to blame the manager when the player completely fucks up. In this case, the manager is an idiot for not bringing in a right handed hitter to face a right handed pitcher, because it's somehow a guarantee that he would hit a flyball. Putting in the lefty who SHOULD be able to handle the bat is complete insanity.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you're going to call for a bunt, put in a guy who bunts from time to time. Valverde was all over the place. You send Bradley home when Valverde's pitch was as likely to be a foot outside as it was a strike? Stupid move for so many reasons. If we lose this game, it's on Lou.
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Of course it's Lou's fault. It's always Lou's fault when we lose. This will be just one of 40 games we lose this year that will be "on Lou", either because of pitching changes, batting order, or asking a guy to hit a bunt fair or foul.
I swear Butch, you would fucking read "Casey at the Bat", and blame the manager for letting Casey bat.
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It isn't always Lou's fault, but tonight it absolutely is. A suicide squeeze after the pitcher just walked the bases loaded? I liked sending Fontenot up there because his strike zone is tiny. But not to execute a squeeze. That was fucking retarded.
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So if Fontenot hit into a DP, would it be "on Lou"? If Fox strikes out, would it be "on Lou"? Let me ask you guys, going by the results this year, how often have we done nothing special, and failed to score with bases loaded and one out? Would it be particularly unusual for us to have stranded those guys? How can a game in which the team scores ONE run in 10 innings, be "on" the manager? What do the players have to do to get blamed?
Cubs-Astros 7/27/09 - Clapp - 07-27-2009
BULLSHIT THAT HIT HIS FOOT!
Cubs-Astros 7/27/09 - Clapp - 07-27-2009
Maybe not, why aren't you running then? God dammit Soriano, or like Brenly said, sell it. Go down in pain, it's something you're taught in little league.
Cubs-Astros 7/27/09 - ruby23 - 07-27-2009
<!--quoteo(post=52516:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:15 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Jul 27 2009, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52509:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:11 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 27 2009, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52505:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:08 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 27 2009, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52497:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:04 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 27 2009, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52481:date=Jul 27 2009, 09:52 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 27 2009, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I've said my peace. I'm just consistently astonished at baseball fans immediate reaction to blame the manager when the player completely fucks up. In this case, the manager is an idiot for not bringing in a right handed hitter to face a right handed pitcher, because it's somehow a guarantee that he would hit a flyball. Putting in the lefty who SHOULD be able to handle the bat is complete insanity.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you're going to call for a bunt, put in a guy who bunts from time to time. Valverde was all over the place. You send Bradley home when Valverde's pitch was as likely to be a foot outside as it was a strike? Stupid move for so many reasons. If we lose this game, it's on Lou.
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Of course it's Lou's fault. It's always Lou's fault when we lose. This will be just one of 40 games we lose this year that will be "on Lou", either because of pitching changes, batting order, or asking a guy to hit a bunt fair or foul.
I swear Butch, you would fucking read "Casey at the Bat", and blame the manager for letting Casey bat.
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C'mon BT, I think we all realize that blaming the manager for making bad decisions gets blown outta proportion. But you can't possibly think what Lou did in the 9th was anything but completely assinine.
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Yes, I completely can. You are welcome to disagree, but it was a high return/low risk move. There are only 2 ways it doesn't work. A popup, or Fontenot completely shitting the bed and being unable to FOUL OFF A FUCKING BUNT. For the record Bob and Len are just as crazy as I am.
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I'm unable to comprehend that argument after the pitcher has already indicated that he couldn't throw strikes. Squeeze play never crossed my mind when a walk, a ground ball to the middle infield, or a medium depth flyball wins the game.
Cubs-Astros 7/27/09 - Clapp - 07-27-2009
Awesome, now Fox finally is up but walked to get to the last hitter on our bench. Brilliant.
Cubs-Astros 7/27/09 - Baron - 07-27-2009
<!--quoteo(post=52523:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:18 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jul 27 2009, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Bradley has zero bat speed from the left side.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How do you explain that being his power side? It baffles me.
Cubs-Astros 7/27/09 - BT - 07-27-2009
<!--quoteo(post=52529:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:21 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 27 2009, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52516:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:15 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 27 2009, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52509:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:11 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 27 2009, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52505:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:08 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 27 2009, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52497:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:04 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 27 2009, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52481:date=Jul 27 2009, 09:52 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 27 2009, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I've said my peace. I'm just consistently astonished at baseball fans immediate reaction to blame the manager when the player completely fucks up. In this case, the manager is an idiot for not bringing in a right handed hitter to face a right handed pitcher, because it's somehow a guarantee that he would hit a flyball. Putting in the lefty who SHOULD be able to handle the bat is complete insanity.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you're going to call for a bunt, put in a guy who bunts from time to time. Valverde was all over the place. You send Bradley home when Valverde's pitch was as likely to be a foot outside as it was a strike? Stupid move for so many reasons. If we lose this game, it's on Lou.
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Of course it's Lou's fault. It's always Lou's fault when we lose. This will be just one of 40 games we lose this year that will be "on Lou", either because of pitching changes, batting order, or asking a guy to hit a bunt fair or foul.
I swear Butch, you would fucking read "Casey at the Bat", and blame the manager for letting Casey bat.
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C'mon BT, I think we all realize that blaming the manager for making bad decisions gets blown outta proportion. But you can't possibly think what Lou did in the 9th was anything but completely assinine.
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Yes, I completely can. You are welcome to disagree, but it was a high return/low risk move. There are only 2 ways it doesn't work. A popup, or Fontenot completely shitting the bed and being unable to FOUL OFF A FUCKING BUNT. For the record Bob and Len are just as crazy as I am.
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I'm unable to comprehend that argument after the pitcher has already indicated that he couldn't throw strikes. Squeeze play never crossed my mind when a walk, a ground ball to the middle infield, or a medium depth flyball wins the game.
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That argument only matters if Fontenot was unable bunt the ball because it was a bad pitch. It was a strike.
Cubs-Astros 7/27/09 - Butcher - 07-27-2009
<!--quoteo(post=52526:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:19 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Jul 27 2009, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52512:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:12 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 27 2009, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52505:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:08 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 27 2009, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52497:date=Jul 27 2009, 10:04 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 27 2009, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52481:date=Jul 27 2009, 09:52 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 27 2009, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I've said my peace. I'm just consistently astonished at baseball fans immediate reaction to blame the manager when the player completely fucks up. In this case, the manager is an idiot for not bringing in a right handed hitter to face a right handed pitcher, because it's somehow a guarantee that he would hit a flyball. Putting in the lefty who SHOULD be able to handle the bat is complete insanity.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you're going to call for a bunt, put in a guy who bunts from time to time. Valverde was all over the place. You send Bradley home when Valverde's pitch was as likely to be a foot outside as it was a strike? Stupid move for so many reasons. If we lose this game, it's on Lou.
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Of course it's Lou's fault. It's always Lou's fault when we lose. This will be just one of 40 games we lose this year that will be "on Lou", either because of pitching changes, batting order, or asking a guy to hit a bunt fair or foul.
I swear Butch, you would fucking read "Casey at the Bat", and blame the manager for letting Casey bat.
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It isn't always Lou's fault, but tonight it absolutely is. A suicide squeeze after the pitcher just walked the bases loaded? I liked sending Fontenot up there because his strike zone is tiny. But not to execute a squeeze. That was fucking retarded.
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So if Fontenot hit into a DP, would it be "on Lou"? If Fox strikes out, would it be "on Lou"? Let me ask you guys, going by the results this year, how often have we done nothing special, and failed to score with bases loaded and one out? Would it be particularly unusual for us to have stranded those guys? How can a game in which the team scores ONE run in 10 innings, be "on" the manager? What do the players have to do to get blamed?
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No, because you aren't asking them to do something retarded.
Cubs-Astros 7/27/09 - Coach - 07-27-2009
I've never been a big fan of the squeeze play, but it should have worked that time.