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7-10 Cubs vs Cards - BT - 07-10-2009
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Giving Fontenot the job at 2B while trading DeRosa so we could get more left-handed will go down as one of the dumbest things Jim Hendry has ever done in his life.
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That's only part of what he did. He did it to sign Bradley as well.
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I actually thought Bradley was a good risk. But it had nothing to do with Fontenot and DeRosa.
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It did, but let's not get into this discussion for the 50th time on this board.
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OK. Let's not.
But it didn't.
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Dude, you're wrong.
"According to Abreu’s people, the Cubs already had a verbal agreement with Bradley by the start of the winter meetings, and were waiting to clear salary (DeRosa, Marquis, etc.) to fit Bradley into their 2009 budget."
7-10 Cubs vs Cards - Destined - 07-10-2009
Murton fucked up the stretch.
7-10 Cubs vs Cards - CFOrfan - 07-10-2009
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7-10 Cubs vs Cards - Butcher - 07-10-2009
<!--quoteo(post=49272:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:16 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Jul 10 2009, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49269:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:14 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 10 2009, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49267:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:12 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Jul 10 2009, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49264:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:11 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 10 2009, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49263:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:10 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 10 2009, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49260:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:08 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 10 2009, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49257:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:05 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 10 2009, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->is the fact that Fontenot has more strikeouts than hits a good thing or a bad thing?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Giving Fontenot the job at 2B while trading DeRosa so we could get more left-handed will go down as one of the dumbest things Jim Hendry has ever done in his life.
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That's only part of what he did. He did it to sign Bradley as well.
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I actually thought Bradley was a good risk. But it had nothing to do with Fontenot and DeRosa.
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It did, but let's not get into this discussion for the 50th time on this board.
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OK. Let's not.
But it didn't.
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Dude, you're wrong.
"According to Abreu’s people, the Cubs already had a verbal agreement with Bradley by the start of the winter meetings, and were waiting to clear salary (DeRosa, Marquis, etc.) to fit Bradley into their 2009 budget."
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"I remember when we signed DeRosa [on Nov. 14, 2006] and there was more second-guessing about that than anything," Hendry said. "Mark's a terrific guy and he was a good player for us. <b>But the thinking in the winter was that we already had five right-handed hitters penciled in that weren't going anywhere. And we were concerned with how [Kosuke] Fukudome was going to come back [as a left-handed power hitter]. ... If he hadn't come back well and we kept Mark, we were probably looking at seven out of eight right-handed hitters every day in the lineup. Then we would have that issue again.</b>"
7-10 Cubs vs Cards - Giff - 07-10-2009
<!--quoteo(post=49275:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:22 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 10 2009, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49272:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:16 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 10 2009, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49269:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:14 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 10 2009, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49267:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:12 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Jul 10 2009, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49264:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:11 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 10 2009, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49263:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:10 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 10 2009, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49260:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:08 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 10 2009, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49257:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:05 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 10 2009, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->is the fact that Fontenot has more strikeouts than hits a good thing or a bad thing?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Giving Fontenot the job at 2B while trading DeRosa so we could get more left-handed will go down as one of the dumbest things Jim Hendry has ever done in his life.
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That's only part of what he did. He did it to sign Bradley as well.
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I actually thought Bradley was a good risk. But it had nothing to do with Fontenot and DeRosa.
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It did, but let's not get into this discussion for the 50th time on this board.
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OK. Let's not.
But it didn't.
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Dude, you're wrong.
"According to Abreu’s people, the Cubs already had a verbal agreement with Bradley by the start of the winter meetings, and were waiting to clear salary (DeRosa, Marquis, etc.) to fit Bradley into their 2009 budget."
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"I remember when we signed DeRosa [on Nov. 14, 2006] and there was more second-guessing about that than anything," Hendry said. "Mark's a terrific guy and he was a good player for us. <b>But the thinking in the winter was that we already had five right-handed hitters penciled in that weren't going anywhere. And we were concerned with how [Kosuke] Fukudome was going to come back [as a left-handed power hitter]. ... If he hadn't come back well and we kept Mark, we were probably looking at seven out of eight right-handed hitters every day in the lineup. Then we would have that issue again.</b>"
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They can't both be reasons?
7-10 Cubs vs Cards - Butcher - 07-10-2009
And, once again, I'd like to point out that the difference between DeRosa's salary this year ($5.5) and Miles' salary this year ($2M) is $3.5M. Keep DeRosa, don't sign Miles. Are you going to tell me with a straight face that $3.5M was going to keep Hendry from signing Bradley to a $30M contract?
Sorry, but I'm not buying it.
The trade was about giving Fontenot the starting job at 2B. Because he's left-handed.
7-10 Cubs vs Cards - BT - 07-10-2009
<!--quoteo(post=49275:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:22 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 10 2009, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49272:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:16 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 10 2009, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49269:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:14 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 10 2009, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49267:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:12 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Jul 10 2009, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49264:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:11 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 10 2009, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49263:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:10 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 10 2009, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49260:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:08 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 10 2009, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49257:date=Jul 10 2009, 04:05 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 10 2009, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->is the fact that Fontenot has more strikeouts than hits a good thing or a bad thing?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Giving Fontenot the job at 2B while trading DeRosa so we could get more left-handed will go down as one of the dumbest things Jim Hendry has ever done in his life.
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That's only part of what he did. He did it to sign Bradley as well.
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I actually thought Bradley was a good risk. But it had nothing to do with Fontenot and DeRosa.
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It did, but let's not get into this discussion for the 50th time on this board.
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OK. Let's not.
But it didn't.
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Dude, you're wrong.
"According to Abreu’s people, the Cubs already had a verbal agreement with Bradley by the start of the winter meetings, and were waiting to clear salary (DeRosa, Marquis, etc.) to fit Bradley into their 2009 budget."
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"I remember when we signed DeRosa [on Nov. 14, 2006] and there was more second-guessing about that than anything," Hendry said. "Mark's a terrific guy and he was a good player for us. <b>But the thinking in the winter was that we already had five right-handed hitters penciled in that weren't going anywhere. And we were concerned with how [Kosuke] Fukudome was going to come back [as a left-handed power hitter]. ... If he hadn't come back well and we kept Mark, we were probably looking at seven out of eight right-handed hitters every day in the lineup. Then we would have that issue again.</b>"
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How does this in any way whatsoever contradict what I said. They wanted to get left handed. They wanted Bradley. The only way to get Bradley was to free up money. If money was not an option they would have kept Derosa. Or are abreu's people lying?
7-10 Cubs vs Cards - Butcher - 07-10-2009
And, once again, I don't really give a shit anymore. DeRosa wouldn't save this trainwreck of a team.
Regardless, it was still an idiotic decision by Hendry.
7-10 Cubs vs Cards - Butcher - 07-10-2009
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Giving Fontenot the job at 2B while trading DeRosa so we could get more left-handed will go down as one of the dumbest things Jim Hendry has ever done in his life.
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That's only part of what he did. He did it to sign Bradley as well.
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I actually thought Bradley was a good risk. But it had nothing to do with Fontenot and DeRosa.
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It did, but let's not get into this discussion for the 50th time on this board.
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OK. Let's not.
But it didn't.
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Dude, you're wrong.
"According to Abreu’s people, the Cubs already had a verbal agreement with Bradley by the start of the winter meetings, and were waiting to clear salary (DeRosa, Marquis, etc.) to fit Bradley into their 2009 budget."
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"I remember when we signed DeRosa [on Nov. 14, 2006] and there was more second-guessing about that than anything," Hendry said. "Mark's a terrific guy and he was a good player for us. <b>But the thinking in the winter was that we already had five right-handed hitters penciled in that weren't going anywhere. And we were concerned with how [Kosuke] Fukudome was going to come back [as a left-handed power hitter]. ... If he hadn't come back well and we kept Mark, we were probably looking at seven out of eight right-handed hitters every day in the lineup. Then we would have that issue again.</b>"
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How does this in any way whatsoever contradict what I said. They wanted to get left handed. They wanted Bradley. The only way to get Bradley was to free up money. If money was not an option they would have kept Derosa. Or are abreu's people lying?
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And, once again, I'd like to point out that the difference between DeRosa's salary this year ($5.5) and Miles' salary this year ($2M) is $3.5M. Keep DeRosa, don't sign Miles. Are you going to tell me with a straight face that $3.5M was going to keep Hendry from signing Bradley to a $30M contract?
Sorry, but I'm not buying it.
The trade was about giving Fontenot the starting job at 2B. Because he's left-handed.
It's not as if DeRosa's contract was breaking this team's back. $5.5M is chump change -- especially when you're willing to sign a piece of shit bench player like Miles for $5M.
7-10 Cubs vs Cards - Destined - 07-10-2009
This team is killing us. If they would stop playing like shit, we could get over these chicken/egg Hendry quarrels.
7-10 Cubs vs Cards - vitaminB - 07-10-2009
Are people seriously still debating DeRosa? Do you not realize that our pitching staff has now imploded? Dempster is out and Harden looks like Steve Traschel.
7-10 Cubs vs Cards - Butcher - 07-10-2009
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Like I said, I don't give a shit. This team blows ass and all of the DeRosas in the world wouldn't make much of a difference.
And I'm willing to drop it as long as I get the last word.
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7-10 Cubs vs Cards - CFOrfan - 07-10-2009
Fontenot K's again.
7-10 Cubs vs Cards - Butcher - 07-10-2009
It's time to put the two Cajun midgets out to pasture.
7-10 Cubs vs Cards - CFOrfan - 07-10-2009
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Theriot is fine. At second base.