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Ron Santo - BT - 12-08-2008
The Veterans Committee has committed a dreadful boner.
(For you new people, that's how we talk around here. Barely a day goes by without someone commenting on a "dreadful boner" or "grievous miscue". Just a heads up).
Ron Santo - Giff - 12-08-2008
Joe Sheehan from Baseball Prospectus wrote a column on this a while back (it's dated July 24, 2002) that I just found.
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->The omission of Ron Santo is the most egregious mistake ever made by the Baseball Writers Association of America. They should have inducted Santo 20 years ago, and that they overlooked him throughout his 15 years on the ballot is a shame. I sincerely hope that the new Veterans Committee rights the error quickly. It will be a boon to their credibility and a honor for a man too long left outside the hallowed halls of Cooperstown.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Ron Santo - ColoradoCub - 12-08-2008
<!--quoteo(post=2312:date=Dec 8 2008, 12:38 PM:name=Giff)-->QUOTE (Giff @ Dec 8 2008, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Joe Sheehan from Baseball Prospectus wrote a column on this a while back (it's dated July 24, 2002) that I just found.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->The omission of Ron Santo is the most egregious mistake ever made by the Baseball Writers Association of America. They should have inducted Santo 20 years ago, and that they overlooked him throughout his 15 years on the ballot is a shame. I sincerely hope that the new Veterans Committee rights the error quickly. It will be a boon to their credibility and a honor for a man too long left outside the hallowed halls of Cooperstown.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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At this point, I think the that the public needs to be informed of how each individual member has voted. It's the only way to make these douchebags accountable.
Ron Santo - leonardsipes - 12-08-2008
The veterans committee was created to put people into the Hall of fame. They are not willing to do it, MLB needs to come up with a new panel.
Ron Santo - Tailgater - 12-08-2008
<!--quoteo(post=2269:date=Dec 8 2008, 12:32 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 8 2008, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Morgan has got to be in the top 10 Biggest Douchebags in Baseball. Top 5, maybe.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're being to kind Butch
Ron Santo - chemikel - 12-08-2008
<!--quoteo(post=2323:date=Dec 8 2008, 03:05 PM:name=leonardsipes)-->QUOTE (leonardsipes @ Dec 8 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The veterans committee was created to put people into the Hall of fame. They are not willing to do it, MLB needs to come up with a new panel.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly. The system is broken
Ron Santo - CFOrfan - 12-08-2008
up until 20 minute ago I've never heard of Joe Gordon. screw him. and the HOFers.
Ron Santo - Quinn - 12-08-2008
I was in meetings all afternoon and just got back to my desk. What a bunch of fucking crap. Things like this really sour my mouth on baseball in general.
Ron Santo - Quinn - 12-08-2008
Fuck, I just saw he went from 72% last time to 61% this time. What a bunch of jackoffs.
Ron Santo - Clapp - 12-08-2008
I knew he wouldn't get in. Ron's never getting in the Hall, we're never winning a title, this is Cubdom for you. That poor man... it's absolute bullshit.
Ron Santo - Rappster - 12-08-2008
Fact is...Joe Gordon belongs in the HoF. AFTER Ronnie...AFTER Hodges.
Unbelievable.
Ron Santo - Captain - 12-08-2008
<!--quoteo(post=2399:date=Dec 8 2008, 03:13 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Dec 8 2008, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I knew he wouldn't get in. Ron's never getting in the Hall, we're never winning a title, this is Cubdom for you. That poor man... it's absolute bullshit.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is it possible to love you and hate you at the same time,Matt Clapp?
Ron Santo - Clapp - 12-08-2008
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->"You know what, I thought it was going to be harder to deal with, but it wasn’t," Santo said by phone from his Scottsdale, Ariz. home. "I’m just kind of fed up with it. I figure, hey, it’s not in the cards. But I don’t want to go through this every two years. It’s ridiculous."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->"Everybody felt this was my year," he said. "I felt it. I thought it was gonna happen, and when it didn’t… What really upset me was nobody got in again. It just doesn’t make sense. It’ll be eight years now that they’ve voted and not let anybody in. And personally, I feel like there’s a lot of guys that should’ve been in, not just me."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Santo would like to see a change in the system, with a vote taken every year instead of every other year, and perhaps a smaller voting committee. If they continue to have elections and no one is getting in, what purpose does the Veterans Committee have?
"They have to change it," he said. "They’re going to still have a veterans committee, but I think it should go back to where it was (in the ‘90s) when Bill Mazeroski got in. I think they should have a committee of maybe 12 guys that vote, that’s the way to do it. Evaluate everyone, but instead of having all the (Hall of Fame) players vote, maybe just a couple players, a couple broadcasters, a couple writers… a much smaller group. That’s how (Joe) Gordon got in."
Gordon, the former second baseman from the New York Yankees, was voted in by a Veterans Committee group considering players from the pre-1943 era. Only 12 people are on that committee, and Gordon received 10 votes of the 12 votes. While Santo was once again first on the list of players on the other list, he was still nine votes shy of election.
"That’s wrong," Hendry said. "The National Football League puts in five or six guys a year. I’ve never heard anyone squabble about 'Oh, that guy doesn’t belong.' They honor the past.
"Like Greg (Maddux) said, eras change. People are bigger, faster, stronger, and the people in the NFL that have been inducted, there’s an honoring of the generation they played in… It’s a sad day for the game. As great a day as it is for Greg today, I’m equally sad for Ronnie."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ron Santo - Mikey - 12-08-2008
I guess it is the Bradley effect. HOFers talk like they want Santo in, but when it is time to fill out the ballot, they don't vote for him.
Ron Santo - phan - 12-08-2008
unreal. i thought for sure he was getting in this time.