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Marquis for Schoeneweis? - Scarey - 12-11-2008
<!--quoteo(post=3996:date=Dec 11 2008, 07:41 PM:name=cigar)-->QUOTE (cigar @ Dec 11 2008, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Seriously, Ohman was pretty well thought of when we first brought him up. Then he got hurt and disappeared for a couple of years.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If I remember correctly, he would be comparable to Mitch Atkins. A good pitcher, but never really had high expectations.
Marquis for Schoeneweis? - cigar - 12-11-2008
Well I don't really have anyway to prove it but he was.
Marquis for Schoeneweis? - Fella - 12-11-2008
Ohman hasn't started a game in the minors (other than a 1 inning rehab appearance) since 1999. However I do remember him being one of our more highly regarded bullpen prospects for a few years through a couple of injuries.
Marquis for Schoeneweis? - Scarey - 12-11-2008
<!--quoteo(post=4001:date=Dec 11 2008, 07:44 PM:name=cigar)-->QUOTE (cigar @ Dec 11 2008, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Well I don't really have anyway to prove it but he was.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When he was first brought up, what kind of expectations did people have for him? Are there players in the league right now you could draw comparisons with in terms of expectations?
Marquis for Schoeneweis? - Giff - 12-11-2008
<!--quoteo(post=3996:date=Dec 11 2008, 06:41 PM:name=cigar)-->QUOTE (cigar @ Dec 11 2008, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Seriously, Ohman was pretty well thought of when we first brought him up. Then he got hurt and disappeared for a couple of years.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's exactly how I remember it.
Marquis for Schoeneweis? - cigar - 12-11-2008
<!--quoteo(post=4003:date=Dec 11 2008, 06:47 PM:name=Fella)-->QUOTE (Fella @ Dec 11 2008, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Ohman hasn't started a game in the minors (other than a 1 inning rehab appearance) since 1999. However I do remember him being one of our more highly regarded bullpen prospects for a few years through a couple of injuries.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Right. That is more in line with what I really wanted to say.
Marquis for Schoeneweis? - ColoradoCub - 12-11-2008
Will Ohman's a Nazi too. Fuck Him, and Fuck Scarey for bringing him up!
Marquis for Schoeneweis? - Clapp - 12-11-2008
Ohman's a fucking douche. He's from my rival high school... plus he's just a fucking douche and looks like he's got a cock stuck in his throat. Oh, and Lou HATES him, so no chance in hell of it happening.
Marquis for Schoeneweis? - Scarey - 12-11-2008
<!--quoteo(post=4007:date=Dec 11 2008, 07:50 PM:name=ColoradoCub)-->QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ Dec 11 2008, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Will Ohman's a Nazi too. Fuck Him, and Fuck Scarey for bringing him up!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He would have never been brought up if we didn't start a discussion about picking up a 3.6million dollar lefty specialist.
Marquis for Schoeneweis? - Captain - 12-11-2008
Where did this rumor come from?
I'd like to know the source before wasting time considering if its worth it or not.
Marquis for Schoeneweis? - Scarey - 12-11-2008
Ok, I think people are getting are losing sight of what this discussion is about. It's not about Will Ohman being good.
It's about:
Will Ohman > Scott Schoeneweis
However,
3.6million dollars > Will Ohman
Also,
Marquis(9.8mill) > Schoeneweis (3.6mill)
Look, if you don't like the original alternate scenario I laid out how about this. Even if the Mets want to do a straight contract swap (which, if everyone feels it's so hard to move him then they won't), the Cubs will end up saving 6.2 million. However, if the Cubs deal to someone paying off 4-5 million of Marquis deal while getting a decent prospect back, the Cubs would net 4.8-5.8 million.
I personally think a decent prospect is better then Scott Schoeneweis + 600k-1.6 million dollars.
Marquis for Schoeneweis? - Captain - 12-11-2008
Where did this rumor come from?
Sorry if I missed it in this thread.
Marquis for Schoeneweis? - deputymayor - 12-11-2008
I prefer Schoeneweis over Beimel for a couple reasons.
One, Schoeneweis has only one year left on his deal, while it'll take a multi-year deal to get Beimel. If Schoeneweis sucks, he's gone after this year. If Beimel sucks, we're stuck with him.
Two, over their careers, Schoeneweis holds lefties to a .224 BA and a .594 OPS, while Beimel's career BAA and OPS-against versus lefties are .266 and .722. And this past year, Beimel actually gave up a higher BAA to lefties than he did to righties (OPS-against vs. lefties was .641 though, compared to .700 vs. righties). So Beimel isn't really a LOOGY.
Complaining about Schoeneweis' cost is fine, but I doubt the prospect Marquis would fetch would be worth much, and it might be tough to find a better realistic LOOGY option on the open market than Schoeneweis.
And since Lou is still the manager, Ohman isn't even worth discussing. There's no way they'd bring him back.
Marquis for Schoeneweis? - deputymayor - 12-11-2008
<!--quoteo(post=4019:date=Dec 11 2008, 07:09 PM:name=Captain)-->QUOTE (Captain @ Dec 11 2008, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Where did this rumor come from?
Sorry if I missed it in this thread.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Off Rotoworld, which got it from SI.com.
Marquis for Schoeneweis? - Captain - 12-11-2008
<!--quoteo(post=4026:date=Dec 11 2008, 07:20 PM:name=deputymayor)-->QUOTE (deputymayor @ Dec 11 2008, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4019:date=Dec 11 2008, 07:09 PM:name=Captain)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Captain @ Dec 11 2008, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Where did this rumor come from?
Sorry if I missed it in this thread.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Off Rotoworld, which got it from SI.com.
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Thanks.