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Fan tasered at Phillies game - jstraw - 05-04-2010
<!--quoteo(post=94668:date=May 4 2010, 02:26 PM:name=Bricklayer)-->QUOTE (Bricklayer @ May 4 2010, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->the tazer is classified as a non-lethal means of subduing someone, it is not excessive it just looks bad because you go down quick. The claim that this was just a stupid non-threatening kid seaking a thrill is bogus because they have no idea what his intentions were until they brought him down. He could have had a knife in his pocket or batteries wrapped up in that towel.
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So if something is non-lethal it can't be excessive?
Fan tasered at Phillies game - Bricklayer - 05-04-2010
<!--quoteo(post=94669:date=May 4 2010, 02:28 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ May 4 2010, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94668:date=May 4 2010, 02:26 PM:name=Bricklayer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bricklayer @ May 4 2010, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->the tazer is classified as a non-lethal means of subduing someone, it is not excessive it just looks bad because you go down quick. The claim that this was just a stupid non-threatening kid seaking a thrill is bogus because they have no idea what his intentions were until they brought him down. He could have had a knife in his pocket or batteries wrapped up in that towel.
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So if something is non-lethal it can't be excessive?
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Depends on how it is used. If there were multiple tazers being used or continuing to taze the kid after he was brought down that would be excessive. How it was applied in this situation, it was not.
Fan tasered at Phillies game - jstraw - 05-04-2010
<!--quoteo(post=94672:date=May 4 2010, 02:34 PM:name=Bricklayer)-->QUOTE (Bricklayer @ May 4 2010, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94669:date=May 4 2010, 02:28 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ May 4 2010, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94668:date=May 4 2010, 02:26 PM:name=Bricklayer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bricklayer @ May 4 2010, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->the tazer is classified as a non-lethal means of subduing someone, it is not excessive it just looks bad because you go down quick. The claim that this was just a stupid non-threatening kid seaking a thrill is bogus because they have no idea what his intentions were until they brought him down. He could have had a knife in his pocket or batteries wrapped up in that towel.
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So if something is non-lethal it can't be excessive?
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Depends on how it is used. If there were multiple tazers being used or continuing to taze the kid after he was brought down that would be excessive. How it was applied in this situation, it was not.
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There is no kind of force that can't be excessive. Whether or not something is excessive has to be judged on the circumstances and relative to harm it's intended to prevent. Pinning a kid to a wall to prevent him from leaving a classroom without permission is excessive force. Putting a chokehold on a citizen who wants to know why he's being asked for his identification is excessive force. It's not that pinning someone to a wall or administering a chokehold are automatically excessive in any and all circumstances. It's the same with tasering. There's no blanket statement that's going to make sense where one taser always is or is not excessive or that five always is or is not.
I don't have a strong opinion about whether or not this tasering was appropriate. I'm just betting it was a bad idea in this case because I doubt these guards were given the authority to apply the degree of cooperation as a standard to apply.
Fan tasered at Phillies game - Butcher - 05-04-2010
How much does it hurt to get tasered? Anyone have any clue?
Fan tasered at Phillies game - funkster - 05-04-2010
The kid is a dipshit for running onto the field, but tasering him seems unnecessary.
Fan tasered at Phillies game - funkster - 05-04-2010
<!--quoteo(post=94676:date=May 4 2010, 02:57 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2010, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->How much does it hurt to get tasered? Anyone have any clue?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Based on Johnny Knoxville's reaction I'd say it probably hurts a lot.
Fan tasered at Phillies game - kbwsb - 05-04-2010
<!--quoteo(post=94676:date=May 4 2010, 02:57 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2010, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->How much does it hurt to get tasered? Anyone have any clue?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It hurts a lot, but only very briefly. You see a lot of videos on youtube of Jackass-type guys tasering each other. If people (however demented) are doing it willingly to each other, it can't be all that horrific.
I'm not denying that it would hurt like hell. But I'd rather be tased than take a ball bat to the skull.
Fan tasered at Phillies game - biggz - 05-04-2010
Speaking purely from my ass, but I'd rather be tasered than pepper-sprayed. Just what my imagination tells me.
Fan tasered at Phillies game - VanSlawAndCottoCheese - 05-04-2010
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Fan tasered at Phillies game - Bricklayer - 05-04-2010
<!--quoteo(post=94684:date=May 4 2010, 03:09 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 4 2010, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94676:date=May 4 2010, 02:57 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2010, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->How much does it hurt to get tasered? Anyone have any clue?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It hurts a lot, but only very briefly. You see a lot of videos on youtube of Jackass-type guys tasering each other. If people (however demented) are doing it willingly to each other, it can't be all that horrific.
I'm not denying that it would hurt like hell. But I'd rather be tased than take a ball bat to the skull.
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I've never been tased, but I have had electricity run through my arm and it's not exactly a sharp pain, but my arm felt dead, like a big piece of meat hanging off my shoulder that was also shaking. Weird scary shit. It took a little bit before my arm felt right.
Fan tasered at Phillies game - BT - 05-04-2010
<!--quoteo(post=94642:date=May 4 2010, 01:43 PM:name=Rappster)-->QUOTE (Rappster @ May 4 2010, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The moment he decided to run on the field...he lost the argument. He gets no say in what a policeman decides to do to stop him...
Taze him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You realize the ramifications of this argument, right?
Fan tasered at Phillies game - kbwsb - 05-04-2010
<!--quoteo(post=94702:date=May 4 2010, 03:34 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ May 4 2010, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94642:date=May 4 2010, 01:43 PM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ May 4 2010, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The moment he decided to run on the field...he lost the argument. He gets no say in what a policeman decides to do to stop him...
Taze him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You realize the ramifications of this argument, right?
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Yes. If a guy is committing an egregious felony shoot him. If it's a misdemeanor, tase him.
Admittedly, it's unpleasant to see it put that way. But isn't that how law and order works?
Fan tasered at Phillies game - jstraw - 05-04-2010
<!--quoteo(post=94704:date=May 4 2010, 03:37 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 4 2010, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94702:date=May 4 2010, 03:34 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 4 2010, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94642:date=May 4 2010, 01:43 PM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ May 4 2010, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The moment he decided to run on the field...he lost the argument. He gets no say in what a policeman decides to do to stop him...
Taze him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You realize the ramifications of this argument, right?
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Yes. If a guy is committing an egregious felony shoot him. If it's a misdemeanor, tase him.
Admittedly, it's unpleasant to see it put that way. But isn't that how law and order works?
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The system is just so much more efficient when enforcement and corrections are combined.
Fan tasered at Phillies game - Destined - 05-04-2010
Don't taze me bro!
Fan tasered at Phillies game - kbwsb - 05-04-2010
<!--quoteo(post=94708:date=May 4 2010, 03:40 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ May 4 2010, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94704:date=May 4 2010, 03:37 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 4 2010, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94702:date=May 4 2010, 03:34 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 4 2010, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94642:date=May 4 2010, 01:43 PM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ May 4 2010, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The moment he decided to run on the field...he lost the argument. He gets no say in what a policeman decides to do to stop him...
Taze him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You realize the ramifications of this argument, right?
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Yes. If a guy is committing an egregious felony shoot him. If it's a misdemeanor, tase him.
Admittedly, it's unpleasant to see it put that way. But isn't that how law and order works?
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The system is just so much more efficient when enforcement and corrections are combined.
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You think it'd take a seated jury to discover evidence that this guy ran out onto the field?
I can see your point if you honestly think the guards were trying to "punish" him, ala Rodney King. But it seemed to me like they were just trying to stop him.