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Smoltz - Leaning to Signing with Cardinals - bz - 08-20-2009
<!--quoteo(post=59087:date=Aug 20 2009, 01:50 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Aug 20 2009, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=59077:date=Aug 20 2009, 02:16 PM:name=Baron)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 20 2009, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=59067:date=Aug 20 2009, 12:41 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Aug 20 2009, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=59065:date=Aug 20 2009, 01:39 PM:name=Baron)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 20 2009, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=59063:date=Aug 20 2009, 12:35 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Aug 20 2009, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=59053:date=Aug 20 2009, 01:13 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ Aug 20 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->MW said the Cards have a great record of signing guys like Holliday. Holiday does not have an injury history and is in the prime of his career. Carpenter hardly fits as someone like Holliday, Carpenters was awful before signing with the Cards and was coming off major arm surgery. The Cards just got fucking lucky. As far as Rolen, he is close to Holliday, but he still never hit the FA market. Sure, it is possible that the Cards can sign Holliday before the year is over, but I don't see it happening and if he hits the FA market he is going to get top dollar and IIRC the Cards do not pay top dollar for FA's.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Runnys, you're wrong. Carpenter signed a 5 year deal with the Cards in 2007 after pitching amazingly for them in the 3 previous seasons.
2004: 15-5, 3.46 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 123 ERA+
2005: 21-5, 2.83 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, 149 ERA+
2006: 15-8, 3.09 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 144 ERA+
Holliday's situation is very similar other than the fact that he doesn't have a 3 year history with the team. I do think he'll be paid handsomely next season. The Cards can afford him too based on their salary commitments for 2010. Whether or not they choose to spend there money on him is another questions.
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The Cardinals resurrected his career by signing him when he had a torn labrum and paying him to rehab. How is that similar to Holliday?
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That's all well and good, but has nothing to do with his 2007 signing, which is what I am comparing Holliday's situation to.
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So you are saying that the Cardinals resurrecting his career had no effect on him giving them a below market value contract? Also, Carpenter was with the Cards for 3 years, got to know the city, got comfortable, felt he owed the Cardinals... how is that similar to Holliday?
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okay dipshit, i even qualified my comment that they are the same, except for the fact that Carp had the 3 year history. Scott Rolen's situation is identical. He was traded midseason in the year he became a FA. Carpenter's is similar in the fact that he's a stud in the prime of his career.
Is this so important that you have pick nits and get on my fucking nerves. Its a stupid pointless argument.
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How is that remotely identical? Any of that? Because they are vaguely similar situations?
Smoltz - Leaning to Signing with Cardinals - PcB - 08-20-2009
<!--quoteo(post=59093:date=Aug 20 2009, 02:17 PM:name=bz)-->QUOTE (bz @ Aug 20 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=58910:date=Aug 19 2009, 07:00 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Aug 19 2009, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=58902:date=Aug 19 2009, 07:25 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Aug 19 2009, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=58901:date=Aug 19 2009, 06:22 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Aug 19 2009, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=58892:date=Aug 19 2009, 05:21 PM:name=MW4)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MW4 @ Aug 19 2009, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Its not that Smoltz will be the savior, but he is an upgrade over their number 5.
It just get me that the Cards seem to actually be doing SOMETHING to try and improve thier ballclub.
That kind of stuff inspire teams to do better when they know the team has their back.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's not going to start for them.
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[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ruby.gif[/img] He's supposed to be starting Sunday.
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Fuck me running, the article I read earlier today said he's going to the pen. I've been wrong a lot recently.
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That sounds about right.
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Smoltz - Leaning to Signing with Cardinals - Scarey - 08-20-2009
<!--quoteo(post=59087:date=Aug 20 2009, 01:50 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Aug 20 2009, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=59077:date=Aug 20 2009, 02:16 PM:name=Baron)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 20 2009, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=59067:date=Aug 20 2009, 12:41 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Aug 20 2009, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=59065:date=Aug 20 2009, 01:39 PM:name=Baron)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 20 2009, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=59063:date=Aug 20 2009, 12:35 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Aug 20 2009, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=59053:date=Aug 20 2009, 01:13 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ Aug 20 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->MW said the Cards have a great record of signing guys like Holliday. Holiday does not have an injury history and is in the prime of his career. Carpenter hardly fits as someone like Holliday, Carpenters was awful before signing with the Cards and was coming off major arm surgery. The Cards just got fucking lucky. As far as Rolen, he is close to Holliday, but he still never hit the FA market. Sure, it is possible that the Cards can sign Holliday before the year is over, but I don't see it happening and if he hits the FA market he is going to get top dollar and IIRC the Cards do not pay top dollar for FA's.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Runnys, you're wrong. Carpenter signed a 5 year deal with the Cards in 2007 after pitching amazingly for them in the 3 previous seasons.
2004: 15-5, 3.46 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 123 ERA+
2005: 21-5, 2.83 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, 149 ERA+
2006: 15-8, 3.09 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 144 ERA+
Holliday's situation is very similar other than the fact that he doesn't have a 3 year history with the team. I do think he'll be paid handsomely next season. The Cards can afford him too based on their salary commitments for 2010. Whether or not they choose to spend there money on him is another questions.
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The Cardinals resurrected his career by signing him when he had a torn labrum and paying him to rehab. How is that similar to Holliday?
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That's all well and good, but has nothing to do with his 2007 signing, which is what I am comparing Holliday's situation to.
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So you are saying that the Cardinals resurrecting his career had no effect on him giving them a below market value contract? Also, Carpenter was with the Cards for 3 years, got to know the city, got comfortable, felt he owed the Cardinals... how is that similar to Holliday?
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okay dipshit, i even qualified my comment that they are the same, except for the fact that Carp had the 3 year history. Scott Rolen's situation is identical. He was traded midseason in the year he became a FA. Carpenter's is similar in the fact that he's a stud in the prime of his career.
Is this so important that you have pick nits and get on my fucking nerves. Its a stupid pointless argument.
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The Rolen comparison is dead on comparing to Holiday. The Carpenter/Holiday comparison is not really so close.
Smoltz - Leaning to Signing with Cardinals - Baron - 08-20-2009
<!--quoteo(post=59087:date=Aug 20 2009, 01:50 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Aug 20 2009, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=59077:date=Aug 20 2009, 02:16 PM:name=Baron)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 20 2009, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=59067:date=Aug 20 2009, 12:41 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Aug 20 2009, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=59065:date=Aug 20 2009, 01:39 PM:name=Baron)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 20 2009, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=59063:date=Aug 20 2009, 12:35 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Aug 20 2009, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=59053:date=Aug 20 2009, 01:13 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ Aug 20 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->MW said the Cards have a great record of signing guys like Holliday. Holiday does not have an injury history and is in the prime of his career. Carpenter hardly fits as someone like Holliday, Carpenters was awful before signing with the Cards and was coming off major arm surgery. The Cards just got fucking lucky. As far as Rolen, he is close to Holliday, but he still never hit the FA market. Sure, it is possible that the Cards can sign Holliday before the year is over, but I don't see it happening and if he hits the FA market he is going to get top dollar and IIRC the Cards do not pay top dollar for FA's.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Runnys, you're wrong. Carpenter signed a 5 year deal with the Cards in 2007 after pitching amazingly for them in the 3 previous seasons.
2004: 15-5, 3.46 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 123 ERA+
2005: 21-5, 2.83 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, 149 ERA+
2006: 15-8, 3.09 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 144 ERA+
Holliday's situation is very similar other than the fact that he doesn't have a 3 year history with the team. I do think he'll be paid handsomely next season. The Cards can afford him too based on their salary commitments for 2010. Whether or not they choose to spend there money on him is another questions.
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The Cardinals resurrected his career by signing him when he had a torn labrum and paying him to rehab. How is that similar to Holliday?
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That's all well and good, but has nothing to do with his 2007 signing, which is what I am comparing Holliday's situation to.
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So you are saying that the Cardinals resurrecting his career had no effect on him giving them a below market value contract? Also, Carpenter was with the Cards for 3 years, got to know the city, got comfortable, felt he owed the Cardinals... how is that similar to Holliday?
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okay dipshit, i even qualified my comment that they are the same, except for the fact that Carp had the 3 year history. Scott Rolen's situation is identical. He was traded midseason in the year he became a FA. Carpenter's is similar in the fact that he's a stud in the prime of his career.
Is this so important that you have pick nits and get on my fucking nerves. Its a stupid pointless argument.
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So hostile. All I was pointing out is that Carpenter is not similar at all, Rolen is.
Smoltz - Leaning to Signing with Cardinals - Coach - 08-20-2009
I like Smoltz
Smoltz - Leaning to Signing with Cardinals - MW4 - 08-20-2009
I was speaking more of Rolen, Edmonds, Drew, Mulder, etc.
I know there was more.
Wasn't McGuire one of those too?
It's the warm and fuzzy St. Louis hospitality that lures them in.
And PT's.
Smoltz - Leaning to Signing with Cardinals - Fella - 08-23-2009
Smoltz in his first Cardinals start: 5 IP, 0 R, 3 H, 9 Ks
What a shock..... he turned back in to Cy young in St. Louis
Smoltz - Leaning to Signing with Cardinals - Clapp - 08-23-2009
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I'm surprised he gave up 3 hits.
Smoltz - Leaning to Signing with Cardinals - Ace - 08-23-2009
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I'm surprised he gave up 3 hits.
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That's hilariously unsurprising.
Smoltz - Leaning to Signing with Cardinals - Butcher - 08-23-2009
Die.
Smoltz - Leaning to Signing with Cardinals - Ace - 08-23-2009
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I'm surprised he gave up 3 hits.
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That's hilariously unsurprising.
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That came out wrong. I mean the result of the Smoltz to the Cards is unsurprising.
Smoltz - Leaning to Signing with Cardinals - Butcher - 08-23-2009
The Padres do kind of suck, though.
Smoltz - Leaning to Signing with Cardinals - Ace - 08-23-2009
<!--quoteo(post=59618:date=Aug 23 2009, 07:43 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Aug 23 2009, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The Padres do kind of suck, though.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So do the Orioles.
Smoltz - Leaning to Signing with Cardinals - Coach - 08-24-2009
He also set the Cardinals' record for most consecutive K's with 7.
He said this morning on the Dan Patrick Show that he was tipping his pitches. Apparently, Carpenter pointed it out to him.
Smoltz - Leaning to Signing with Cardinals - Destined - 08-24-2009
Can we put a bounty on the whole Cardinals pitching staff? Anyone crazy enough to go through with it and commit the good deed?