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Cubs Beat Theriot - jstraw - 02-22-2010
"Slightly above average" speaks for itself. You don't make the post-season on slightly above average. Slightly above average is a C+. I agree, Theriot is slightly above average.
Cubs Beat Theriot - ruby23 - 02-22-2010
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As a 2B, he sure would be.
Cubs Beat Theriot - mesacubsjay - 02-22-2010
stephen drew
Cubs Beat Theriot - Scarey - 02-22-2010
<!--quoteo(post=80286:date=Feb 22 2010, 08:07 AM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Feb 22 2010, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->"Slightly above average" speaks for itself. You don't make the post-season on slightly above average. Slightly above average is a C+. I agree, Theriot is slightly above average.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So we have to have an A+ at every position? I would be thrilled if we did, but I don't think it's realistic to expect that.
Cubs Beat Theriot - Scarey - 02-22-2010
<!--quoteo(post=80298:date=Feb 22 2010, 09:35 AM:name=mesacubsjay)-->QUOTE (mesacubsjay @ Feb 22 2010, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->stephen drew<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Career .326 OBP and may be the worst fielding shortstop in the league. He does bring some power to the table though so I wouldn't argue with anyone wanting him over Theriot.
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While he may trump Theriot's range, his inconsistency puts him on par with Theriot defensively if not worse. He also has a career OBP of .326 although his slugging again is up there so I guess I wouldn't argue with this one either.
That still puts Theriot in the top 15 shortstops in the league.
Cubs Beat Theriot - jstraw - 02-22-2010
<!--quoteo(post=80299:date=Feb 22 2010, 08:40 AM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Feb 22 2010, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=80286:date=Feb 22 2010, 08:07 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Feb 22 2010, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->"Slightly above average" speaks for itself. You don't make the post-season on slightly above average. Slightly above average is a C+. I agree, Theriot is slightly above average.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So we have to have an A+ at every position? I would be thrilled if we did, but I don't think it's realistic to expect that.
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I didn't say, nor meant to imply that. I think you could win the WS with all B- to A level players if they were peaking at the right time and getting some breaks. Maybe even a couple of C+ players...but not middle infielders.
Cubs Beat Theriot - Runnys - 02-22-2010
<!--quoteo(post=80311:date=Feb 22 2010, 10:18 AM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Feb 22 2010, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=80299:date=Feb 22 2010, 08:40 AM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Feb 22 2010, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=80286:date=Feb 22 2010, 08:07 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Feb 22 2010, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->"Slightly above average" speaks for itself. You don't make the post-season on slightly above average. Slightly above average is a C+. I agree, Theriot is slightly above average.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So we have to have an A+ at every position? I would be thrilled if we did, but I don't think it's realistic to expect that.
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I didn't say, nor meant to imply that. I think you could win the WS with all B- to A level players if they were peaking at the right time and getting some breaks. Maybe even a couple of C+ players...but not middle infielders.
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In 1995 the Braves had Jeff Blauser, Mark Lemke, and Marquis Grissom forming the middle of their team. Blauser had a .319 OBP that year, Lemke had a .325 OBP, and Grissom had a .317 OBP. I would hardly think that you classified any of them over a C+ player. You can get away with have average players at some positions if you have a great team around them.
Cubs Beat Theriot - Giff - 02-22-2010
Theriot is pretty much David Eckstein. He's average at best, but there's no reason he can't be the shortstop on a contending team.
Cubs Beat Theriot - rok - 02-22-2010
From my estimation, we have potentially 4 C to C+ level players in our everyday lineup, so another B+ to A level position player couldn't hurt.
Cubs Beat Theriot - jstraw - 02-22-2010
<!--quoteo(post=80321:date=Feb 22 2010, 10:50 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Feb 22 2010, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->From my estimation, we have potentially 4 C to C+ level players in our everyday lineup, so another B+ to A level position player couldn't hurt.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And that's the thing. Four is too many for the rest of the team to have to keep picking up and expect to contend. So yeah, even if you can work around a C middle infielder, you better not have too many more guys to worry about or else you need an unhittable rotation like the Braves had.
Cubs Beat Theriot - Scarey - 02-22-2010
<!--quoteo(post=80321:date=Feb 22 2010, 12:50 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Feb 22 2010, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->From my estimation, we have potentially 4 C to C+ level players in our everyday lineup, so another B+ to A level position player couldn't hurt.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm guessing Baker is another? Who else? And are you drawing these grades from your expectations, last years performances, or the total bodies of work?
Cubs Beat Theriot - Butcher - 02-22-2010
<!--quoteo(post=80341:date=Feb 22 2010, 12:54 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Feb 22 2010, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=80321:date=Feb 22 2010, 12:50 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Feb 22 2010, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->From my estimation, we have potentially 4 C to C+ level players in our everyday lineup, so another B+ to A level position player couldn't hurt.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm guessing Baker is another? Who else? And are you drawing these grades from your expectations, last years performances, or the total bodies of work?
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I'm guessing Byrd is one and Fukudome is another, but I can't speak for rok. Soto could be a 5th if he doesn't have a rebound season.
Cubs Beat Theriot - Scarey - 02-22-2010
<!--quoteo(post=80343:date=Feb 22 2010, 03:02 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 22 2010, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=80341:date=Feb 22 2010, 12:54 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Feb 22 2010, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=80321:date=Feb 22 2010, 12:50 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Feb 22 2010, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->From my estimation, we have potentially 4 C to C+ level players in our everyday lineup, so another B+ to A level position player couldn't hurt.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm guessing Baker is another? Who else? And are you drawing these grades from your expectations, last years performances, or the total bodies of work?
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I'm guessing Byrd is one and Fukudome is another, but I can't speak for rok. Soto could be a 5th if he doesn't have a rebound season.
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Fukudome I can understand, although his defense should make up for some of his offensive shortfall. Byrd should actually be a solid B if he produces like he has in Texas. Soto we all know is a big x-factor. To me he shouldn't be specified as a C because he could be anywhere from an A to an F.
Cubs Beat Theriot - rok - 02-22-2010
<!--quoteo(post=80343:date=Feb 22 2010, 01:02 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 22 2010, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=80341:date=Feb 22 2010, 12:54 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Feb 22 2010, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=80321:date=Feb 22 2010, 12:50 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Feb 22 2010, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->From my estimation, we have potentially 4 C to C+ level players in our everyday lineup, so another B+ to A level position player couldn't hurt.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm guessing Baker is another? Who else? And are you drawing these grades from your expectations, last years performances, or the total bodies of work?
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I'm guessing Byrd is one and Fukudome is another, but I can't speak for rok. Soto could be a 5th if he doesn't have a rebound season.
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Bingo, and Fontenot as well. I'm not saying they don't have the potential to be good players, just that there's as much as a 50/50 chance that Byrd/Fuk/Theriot/Baker/Fontenot/Soto may just be average or worse than that. And I'm not basing this on stats, just my own worst case scenario expectations.
Cubs Beat Theriot - biggz - 02-22-2010
Hi, tommy.