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Hey Butch - Butcher - 04-07-2009
<!--quoteo(post=28036:date=Apr 7 2009, 01:08 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 7 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=28018:date=Apr 7 2009, 12:42 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 7 2009, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=28014:date=Apr 7 2009, 12:29 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 7 2009, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=27986:date=Apr 7 2009, 08:58 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 7 2009, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I never said I had a problem with Fontenot. I'm glad he's going to get plenty of playing time.
However, one has nothing to do with the other. Let's do some math.
These players are likely to miss this many games (guesstimates, of course):
Bradley -- 60 - 70
Alf -- 20 - 30
Ramirez -- 20 - 30
Lee could use days off -- 20
Give Fontenot a rest against tough lefties -- 15
So, on the low end, that's about 135 games. On the high end, it's a full season worth of games. DeRosa can play all of those positions.
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Would you rather have DeRosa as a super sub or Bradley on the team? It's really that simple and the answer sould be equally as simple.
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I'm not making the connection. Seems to me it's DeRosa or Miles. Or are you saying that the extra $2.5 M we saved by replacing DeRosa with Miles allowed us to sign Bradley? Sorry -- I'm not buying that. Especially when we just ate $2M on the Gaudin debacle.
Was that simple enough?
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Simple and wrong, Hendry wasn't signing Bradley until DeRosa was gone. Whether you think that should have been the case or not makes no difference. The $$$ saved by trading DeRosa and letting Wood walk are the reason why Bradley is on this team. The Gaudin mistake was a mistake and Hendry has even said that. No matter how you slice, it was always an either/or thing with DeRosa and Bradley, there was never a chance both were gonna be on the team. I also haven't even said a thing about the desire to get more left handed.
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Again -- we saved $2.5M by trading DeRosa. That wasn't going to keep Hendry from signing Bradley to a $40M contract.
Hey Butch - Butcher - 04-07-2009
<!--quoteo(post=28046:date=Apr 7 2009, 01:16 PM:name=Andy)-->QUOTE (Andy @ Apr 7 2009, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=28037:date=Apr 7 2009, 01:08 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Apr 7 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->i honestly think they traded derosa to make room for peavy. then the peavy thing fell through.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree Tom. I think they traded DeRo for pieces of a trade to SD. I have little doubt it pissed Hendry off that it didn't go through and he then traded for Heilman as a way of shaping up a pitching rotation he expected to have Peavy in.
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I believe this was the case as well. Hendry should've had the deal in place (approval to take on his contact and the pieces the Padres wanted) before he traded DeRosa. He screwed up.
Hey Butch - Clapp - 04-07-2009
<!--quoteo(post=27986:date=Apr 7 2009, 07:58 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 7 2009, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I never said I had a problem with Fontenot. I'm glad he's going to get plenty of playing time.
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However, one has nothing to do with the other. </b>Let's do some math.
These players are likely to miss this many games (guesstimates, of course):
Bradley -- 60 - 70
Alf -- 20 - 30
Ramirez -- 20 - 30
Lee could use days off -- 20
Give Fontenot a rest against tough lefties -- 15
So, on the low end, that's about 135 games. On the high end, it's a full season worth of games. DeRosa can play all of those positions.
This is why I'm lamenting DeRosa's loss. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Fontenot.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It absolutely does. DeRosa was the starting 2b last year and played great baseball, they weren't going to take him out of the role if he were still on the team. I think Fontenot's got 100+ more at bats by this move.
Hey Butch - Butcher - 04-07-2009
<!--quoteo(post=28056:date=Apr 7 2009, 02:07 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Apr 7 2009, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=27986:date=Apr 7 2009, 07:58 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 7 2009, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I never said I had a problem with Fontenot. I'm glad he's going to get plenty of playing time.
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However, one has nothing to do with the other. </b>Let's do some math.
These players are likely to miss this many games (guesstimates, of course):
Bradley -- 60 - 70
Alf -- 20 - 30
Ramirez -- 20 - 30
Lee could use days off -- 20
Give Fontenot a rest against tough lefties -- 15
So, on the low end, that's about 135 games. On the high end, it's a full season worth of games. DeRosa can play all of those positions.
This is why I'm lamenting DeRosa's loss. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Fontenot.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It absolutely does. DeRosa was the starting 2b last year and played great baseball, they weren't going to take him out of the role if he were still on the team. I think Fontenot's got 100+ more at bats by this move.
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You can't see that even with Fontenot starting at 2B, DeRosa could still play 140+ games?
Hey Butch - Baron - 04-07-2009
<!--quoteo(post=28057:date=Apr 7 2009, 02:11 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 7 2009, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=28056:date=Apr 7 2009, 02:07 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Apr 7 2009, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=27986:date=Apr 7 2009, 07:58 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 7 2009, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I never said I had a problem with Fontenot. I'm glad he's going to get plenty of playing time.
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However, one has nothing to do with the other. </b>Let's do some math.
These players are likely to miss this many games (guesstimates, of course):
Bradley -- 60 - 70
Alf -- 20 - 30
Ramirez -- 20 - 30
Lee could use days off -- 20
Give Fontenot a rest against tough lefties -- 15
So, on the low end, that's about 135 games. On the high end, it's a full season worth of games. DeRosa can play all of those positions.
This is why I'm lamenting DeRosa's loss. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Fontenot.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It absolutely does. DeRosa was the starting 2b last year and played great baseball, they weren't going to take him out of the role if he were still on the team. I think Fontenot's got 100+ more at bats by this move.
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You can't see that even with Fontenot starting at 2B, DeRosa could still play 140+ games?
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Hendry: Don't worry about it Mike, even though DeRo was one of the top 3 2B in the NL last year you will get plenty of PT. Oh and DeRo, we are assuming Alf will be out a month and that Milton will also miss a month of baseball, so you will get plenty of time in the OF.
You really think that would have worked? You can't go into the season assuming people will get injured to allow enough at bats for Fontenot/DeRosa.
Hey Butch - Butcher - 04-07-2009
<!--quoteo(post=28060:date=Apr 7 2009, 02:25 PM:name=Baron)-->QUOTE (Baron @ Apr 7 2009, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=28057:date=Apr 7 2009, 02:11 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 7 2009, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=28056:date=Apr 7 2009, 02:07 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Apr 7 2009, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=27986:date=Apr 7 2009, 07:58 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 7 2009, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I never said I had a problem with Fontenot. I'm glad he's going to get plenty of playing time.
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However, one has nothing to do with the other. </b>Let's do some math.
These players are likely to miss this many games (guesstimates, of course):
Bradley -- 60 - 70
Alf -- 20 - 30
Ramirez -- 20 - 30
Lee could use days off -- 20
Give Fontenot a rest against tough lefties -- 15
So, on the low end, that's about 135 games. On the high end, it's a full season worth of games. DeRosa can play all of those positions.
This is why I'm lamenting DeRosa's loss. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Fontenot.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It absolutely does. DeRosa was the starting 2b last year and played great baseball, they weren't going to take him out of the role if he were still on the team. I think Fontenot's got 100+ more at bats by this move.
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You can't see that even with Fontenot starting at 2B, DeRosa could still play 140+ games?
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Hendry: Don't worry about it Mike, even though DeRo was one of the top 3 2B in the NL last year you will get plenty of PT. Oh and DeRo, we are assuming Alf will be out a month and that Milton will also miss a month of baseball, so you will get plenty of time in the OF.
You really think that would have worked? You can't go into the season assuming people will get injured to allow enough at bats for Fontenot/DeRosa.
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With Bradley, it's a pretty safe assumption.
Hey Butch - Clapp - 04-07-2009
<!--quoteo(post=28057:date=Apr 7 2009, 01:11 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 7 2009, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=28056:date=Apr 7 2009, 02:07 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Apr 7 2009, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=27986:date=Apr 7 2009, 07:58 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 7 2009, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I never said I had a problem with Fontenot. I'm glad he's going to get plenty of playing time.
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However, one has nothing to do with the other. </b>Let's do some math.
These players are likely to miss this many games (guesstimates, of course):
Bradley -- 60 - 70
Alf -- 20 - 30
Ramirez -- 20 - 30
Lee could use days off -- 20
Give Fontenot a rest against tough lefties -- 15
So, on the low end, that's about 135 games. On the high end, it's a full season worth of games. DeRosa can play all of those positions.
This is why I'm lamenting DeRosa's loss. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Fontenot.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It absolutely does. DeRosa was the starting 2b last year and played great baseball, they weren't going to take him out of the role if he were still on the team. I think Fontenot's got 100+ more at bats by this move.
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You can't see that even with Fontenot starting at 2B, DeRosa could still play 140+ games?
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He wouldn't be the starting 2b if DeRosa's on the team. He'd still get some more at bats likely due to their wanting of more left-handed hitting and Bradley's issues, but DeRosa would still be the "starter". And Hoffpauir's a nice weapon off the bench that is a better 1B than DeRosa as well, so it's not worth counting the 10-20 games Lee will miss to me. Really it's Miles instead of DeRosa, and Fukudome instead of DeRosa. The Miles-DeRosa swap won't be a problem at all, and the Fukudome swap is a downgrade offensively, but certainly not on defense.
I think what Fontenot and Bradley do will make us not miss DeRosa all that much. Let's also remember we have 5 or 6 hitters in the lineup everyday that are better than DeRosa, so offensively this loss isn't as big of a deal to us as it would be to almost every other team in baseball. Defensively, the only issue is third base and I've liked what I've seen from Fontenot there.
Hey Butch - Butcher - 04-07-2009
<!--quoteo(post=28062:date=Apr 7 2009, 02:28 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Apr 7 2009, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=28057:date=Apr 7 2009, 01:11 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 7 2009, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=28056:date=Apr 7 2009, 02:07 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Apr 7 2009, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=27986:date=Apr 7 2009, 07:58 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 7 2009, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I never said I had a problem with Fontenot. I'm glad he's going to get plenty of playing time.
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However, one has nothing to do with the other. </b>Let's do some math.
These players are likely to miss this many games (guesstimates, of course):
Bradley -- 60 - 70
Alf -- 20 - 30
Ramirez -- 20 - 30
Lee could use days off -- 20
Give Fontenot a rest against tough lefties -- 15
So, on the low end, that's about 135 games. On the high end, it's a full season worth of games. DeRosa can play all of those positions.
This is why I'm lamenting DeRosa's loss. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Fontenot.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It absolutely does. DeRosa was the starting 2b last year and played great baseball, they weren't going to take him out of the role if he were still on the team. I think Fontenot's got 100+ more at bats by this move.
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You can't see that even with Fontenot starting at 2B, DeRosa could still play 140+ games?
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He wouldn't be the starting 2b if DeRosa's on the team. He'd still get some more at bats likely due to their wanting of more left-handed hitting and Bradley's issues, but DeRosa would still be the "starter". And Hoffpauir's a nice weapon off the bench that is a better 1B than DeRosa as well, so it's not worth counting the 10-20 games Lee will miss to me. Really it's Miles instead of DeRosa, and Fukudome instead of DeRosa. The Miles-DeRosa swap won't be a problem at all, and the Fukudome swap is a downgrade offensively, but certainly not on defense.
I think what Fontenot and Bradley do will make us not miss DeRosa all that much. Let's also remember we have 5 or 6 hitters in the lineup everyday that are better than DeRosa, so offensively this loss isn't as big of a deal to us as it would be to almost every other team in baseball. Defensively, the only issues is third base and I've liked what I've seen from Fontenot there.
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It's going to be a bigger issue than you're making it out to be when Bradley misses 60+ games. Fukudome is a train wreck at the plate and I don't see him coming out of it anytime soon. So, will Fukudome get the majority of Bradley's ABs? Will Miles? Either way, it's a big downgrade from what DeRosa would have provided. When you sign Bradley, you know what you're getting -- 100 games, if you're lucky.
Hey Butch - ColoradoCub - 04-07-2009
Fuck, it's like Butch is PMS'ing today. Can't you at least wrest a little enjoyment out of yesterday's game Butchie before going back to the doom and gloom routine?
Hey Butch - Butcher - 04-07-2009
As a side note, I don't think this will cost us the division. But that doesn't mean it wasn't a completely idiotic move by Hendry.
The move made us worse, no matter how you slice it.
Hey Butch - veryzer - 04-07-2009
<!--quoteo(post=28044:date=Apr 7 2009, 01:15 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Apr 7 2009, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=28037:date=Apr 7 2009, 01:08 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Apr 7 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->i honestly think they traded derosa to make room for peavy. then the peavy thing fell through.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There may be something to that, but again, what's the connection? Peavy's a pitcher.
And rube, tom, are you saying that a team with a $142 Million dollar payroll freely axed the team MVP over 2 million bucks?
Doesn't wash.
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then whats your explanation? make it wash for me.
Hey Butch - Butcher - 04-07-2009
<!--quoteo(post=28067:date=Apr 7 2009, 02:34 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Apr 7 2009, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=28044:date=Apr 7 2009, 01:15 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Apr 7 2009, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=28037:date=Apr 7 2009, 01:08 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Apr 7 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->i honestly think they traded derosa to make room for peavy. then the peavy thing fell through.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There may be something to that, but again, what's the connection? Peavy's a pitcher.
And rube, tom, are you saying that a team with a $142 Million dollar payroll freely axed the team MVP over 2 million bucks?
Doesn't wash.
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then whats your explanation? make it wash for me.
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Hendry fucked up. That's how it washes.
Hey Butch - Butcher - 04-07-2009
<!--quoteo(post=28065:date=Apr 7 2009, 02:33 PM:name=ColoradoCub)-->QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ Apr 7 2009, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Fuck, it's like Butch is PMS'ing today. Can't you at least wrest a little enjoyment out of yesterday's game Butchie before going back to the doom and gloom routine?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When a "Hey Butch" thread is started, am I just supposed to ignore it? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
Hey Butch - veryzer - 04-07-2009
you know whats funny? before the derosa rumors started, half the site was expected a big dropoff for derosa. a lot of people here thought there was no way derosa was gonna put up the same numbers (ironically i wasn't one of them) and now that he's gone, it's like we lost rogers hornsby or frank frisch.
i liked derosa as much as the next guy, but i'm past this. the loss of derosa will have no bearing on the outcome of this season.
Hey Butch - Quinn - 04-07-2009
<!--quoteo(post=28070:date=Apr 7 2009, 02:36 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 7 2009, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=28065:date=Apr 7 2009, 02:33 PM:name=ColoradoCub)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ Apr 7 2009, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Fuck, it's like Butch is PMS'ing today. Can't you at least wrest a little enjoyment out of yesterday's game Butchie before going back to the doom and gloom routine?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When a "Hey Butch" thread is started, am I just supposed to ignore it? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
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I just thought it was a funny shout out to you by Ace.