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I know Hendry and Lou are idiots and all but... - rok - 08-04-2009

<!--quoteo(post=55468:date=Aug 4 2009, 10:12 AM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Aug 4 2009, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=55466:date=Aug 4 2009, 10:06 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Aug 4 2009, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=55463:date=Aug 4 2009, 10:02 AM:name=funkster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (funkster @ Aug 4 2009, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=55451:date=Aug 4 2009, 09:26 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Aug 4 2009, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->But the talent pool isn't confined to the NL. The talent pool is the entire Major Leagues. Regardless, each team can point to it's minor league system with some hope, but I think you are underestimating how truly awful the Royals have been.

The AL is better than the NL right now, but there are essentially 5 bad divisions in baseball.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree.
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Yes, and 3 of them are in the NL. Now, I will really stop.
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The Royals are the worst team in baseball.
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The Nats, Pads and Pirates fans would disagree with you.

I know Hendry and Lou are idiots and all but... - Lance - 08-04-2009

So..does everybody suck? And if so, is there a better baseball league somewhere? If not, do we just pale against the greatness of the past?

I know Hendry and Lou are idiots and all but... - rok - 08-04-2009

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The talent is just concentrated in certain divisions, but overall I think baseball is still pretty competitive. I wish the NL would send one of our crappy teams over to the AL to even things out more.

I know Hendry and Lou are idiots and all but... - Lance - 08-04-2009

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The talent is just concentrated in certain divisions, but overall I think baseball is still pretty competitive. I wish the NL would send one of our crappy teams over to the AL to even things out more.
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It burns my ass that the AL has been better than the NL for 20 plus years. And it's the DH which has caused an unfair playing field, I think.

I know Hendry and Lou are idiots and all but... - rok - 08-04-2009

<!--quoteo(post=55475:date=Aug 4 2009, 10:32 AM:name=Lance)-->QUOTE (Lance @ Aug 4 2009, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=55473:date=Aug 4 2009, 11:29 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Aug 4 2009, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=55472:date=Aug 4 2009, 10:24 AM:name=Lance)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lance @ Aug 4 2009, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->So..does everybody suck? And if so, is there a better baseball league somewhere? If not, do we just pale against the greatness of the past?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The talent is just concentrated in certain divisions, but overall I think baseball is still pretty competitive. I wish the NL would send one of our crappy teams over to the AL to even things out more.
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It burns my ass that the AL has been better than the NL for 20 plus years. And it's the DH which has caused an unfair playing field, I think.
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Yep, when I was growing up watching baseball it was the complete opposite. The DH was a joke up through the 80s and early 90s. I hate the idea of having someone groomed to be a DH out of the minors or the idea that some washed up veteran who can't field but can still hit for power somehow can play an extra 5-10 years. It isn't real baseball.

I know Hendry and Lou are idiots and all but... - jstraw - 08-04-2009

<!--quoteo(post=55477:date=Aug 4 2009, 10:39 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Aug 4 2009, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=55475:date=Aug 4 2009, 10:32 AM:name=Lance)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lance @ Aug 4 2009, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=55473:date=Aug 4 2009, 11:29 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Aug 4 2009, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=55472:date=Aug 4 2009, 10:24 AM:name=Lance)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lance @ Aug 4 2009, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->So..does everybody suck? And if so, is there a better baseball league somewhere? If not, do we just pale against the greatness of the past?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The talent is just concentrated in certain divisions, but overall I think baseball is still pretty competitive. I wish the NL would send one of our crappy teams over to the AL to even things out more.
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It burns my ass that the AL has been better than the NL for 20 plus years. And it's the DH which has caused an unfair playing field, I think.
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Yep, when I was growing up watching baseball it was the complete opposite. The DH was a joke up through the 80s and early 90s. I hate the idea of having someone groomed to be a DH out of the minors or the idea that some washed up veteran who can't field but can still hit for power somehow can play an extra 5-10 years. It isn't real baseball.
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Ditto that. I hate the DH.

Here's am exercise: Would you accept the DH in the NL to level the field, with all that would be lost with its implementation?


I know Hendry and Lou are idiots and all but... - Coach - 08-04-2009

I think the DH should be added to the NL.
I dont want to see pitchers try to hit.

I know Hendry and Lou are idiots and all but... - jstraw - 08-04-2009

<!--quoteo(post=55472:date=Aug 4 2009, 10:24 AM:name=Lance)-->QUOTE (Lance @ Aug 4 2009, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->So..does everybody suck? And if so, is there a better baseball league somewhere? If not, do we just pale against the greatness of the past?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I think the talent pool is generally diluted. Surely the number of teams relative to the population hasn't grown (especially when you factor in the number of imported players) so I don't really understand it. It just seems that with every round of expansion the talent got thinner...especially with pitchers. Which in ITS own way makes no sense because pitching has become infinitely more specialized.

Can you imagine hearing back in '68 that someone was ever gonna make a living pitching the 8th inning of ballgames?


I know Hendry and Lou are idiots and all but... - rok - 08-04-2009

Call me a purist, but if you can't play a position, you shouldn't play the game. You should be a pinch-hitter.

I know Hendry and Lou are idiots and all but... - veryzer - 08-04-2009

<!--quoteo(post=55444:date=Aug 4 2009, 08:59 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Aug 4 2009, 08:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=55443:date=Aug 4 2009, 08:55 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Aug 4 2009, 08:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The NL is really, really bad.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

The AL, outside of 3 teams in the east, is pretty much the same.
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and the angels.

I know Hendry and Lou are idiots and all but... - ruby23 - 08-04-2009

<!--quoteo(post=55482:date=Aug 4 2009, 10:53 AM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ Aug 4 2009, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think the DH should be added to the NL.
I dont want to see pitchers try to hit.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I want the DH to go away so that AL teams are actually forced to use strategy and their 25 man roster.

I know Hendry and Lou are idiots and all but... - veryzer - 08-04-2009

i think hendry had a bad offseason, but he's had good ones too, so shit happens i guess. i think lou doesn't get nearly enough credit for what he's done.

I know Hendry and Lou are idiots and all but... - vitaminB - 08-04-2009

<!--quoteo(post=55472:date=Aug 4 2009, 11:24 AM:name=Lance)-->QUOTE (Lance @ Aug 4 2009, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->So..does everybody suck? And if so, is there a better baseball league somewhere? If not, do we just pale against the greatness of the past?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

If only there were some sort of substance that these players could take to make them better, a panacia if you will. I just wish every team could be as good as the 2003 Red Sox. Now there was a team built on hustle and heart. They cared enough to go the extra mile, pharmacudicaly speaking. Today's players just don't get it, man.

I know Hendry and Lou are idiots and all but... - kbwsb - 08-04-2009

It's not the DH that has moved the AL ahead of the NL, because as someone pointed out, in the first 2 decades of the DH's existence, the NL was the premier league.
Historically, (which makes me think that there is some randomness involved) the power axis has shifted back and forth between the 2 leagues.

A lot of sportswriters have speculated that the current AL advantage (interleague play and the all-star game) comes because they had a few teams that were very well run, and the other teams had to catch up, spend, whatever to even compete.

At one point earlier in this decade, the Yankees and Red Sox were outspending everyone else by a MILE, The A's had Billy Beane and the Moneyball way of building winners, the Twins and Angels had a totally opposite of Moneyball (but equally effective) way of building teams...it seemed like all the innovation and crazy spending was happening in one league, and it had a snowball effect on the other teams.

That said, I don't think that the difference is that big. (Although it's <i>there</i>, for sure. Jim is lucky to be in a division where the Pirates are rebuilding for 2012, the Astros are clueless, and the Reds are managed by Dusty Baker).

I know Hendry and Lou are idiots and all but... - rok - 08-04-2009

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I'd cut him more slack if he wasn't behind most of the retooling that went on in the offseason, but I can't separate him from Hendry's master plan at this point.

I give him credit for managing the team well overall though, on the field at least, even though some of his late-inning decision making hasn't been the best. He's dealt with more this season than the first two combined, so he deserves some slack.