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Cubs-White Sox Announcement? - Butcher - 04-30-2010
<!--quoteo(post=93967:date=Apr 30 2010, 04:33 PM:name=PcB)-->QUOTE (PcB @ Apr 30 2010, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93966:date=Apr 30 2010, 04:30 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 30 2010, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93962:date=Apr 30 2010, 04:16 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Apr 30 2010, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93522:date=Apr 29 2010, 10:58 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 29 2010, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93515:date=Apr 29 2010, 10:50 AM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 29 2010, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->What I don't understand is what is the logical reason NOT to have White Sox/Cubs games every year. I don't think the powers that be are going to accept "because it makes Butcher's life miserable for two weeks out of the year". If I was in a position to do something about it Butcher, I would make an effort.
Other than that, what's the logical explanation? The only one I can think of is the fact that the record against the AL is low on the list of tie breakers. I just don't think that's a good enough reason to cease the extra revenue from Cubs/Sox games.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Here's the most logical reason from the Cubs' standpoint, and I've already mentioned it.
We play .486 baseball against the White Sox. The Cardinals play .589 baseball against the Royals. The Cardinals are our biggest rival and competition in the NL Central. We're giving them a built-in advantage every single season (however slight) by playing this retarded series.
If the extra revenue is more important than that, I don't know what to tell you.
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We lose against the Sox so we shouldn't play them? That's retarded. Here's an idea... play better against the Sox when we play them. I think that might work.
Come on Butch. We all know you hate the Sox and everything, but at least make some real points instead of this bullshit.
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Hey, moron?
It isn't that the Sox beat us -- it's that the Sox are an infinitely better team than the Royals. We play the Sox. The Cards play the Royals. Do I have to make it plainer, or do you get it now?
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Please make it plainer. Should we not play the Phillies or the Mets since they're good teams? We should make it so that we only play the Pirates, Reds and Nationals all year because those other teams in the N.L are just too darn good.
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Holy shit.
The Cardinals and the Cubs (and all teams in the NL Central) should have as close to the same schedules as possible. When we have 6 games built in with the Sox and the Cardinals have 6 games built in with the Royals, but the same schedules otherwise, you don't see the discrepancy?
Can I make it any simpler?
Every team in the NL Central is trying to win more games than the other teams in the NL Central. That's so they can win the division and play in the playoffs. If one team has an easier schedule than the others, then it isn't fair.
Cubs-White Sox Announcement? - PcB - 04-30-2010
We played Cleveland who had a 65-97 record last year. The Cards played the Royals who had a 65-97 record last year.
We played the Sox who had a 79-83 record last year. The Cards played Minnesota who had an 87-76 record last year.
Seems fair to me.
Cubs-White Sox Announcement? - PcB - 04-30-2010
In case you missed what I was saying, the Cards actually had a harder interleague schedule last year. So yes. We should just play better against the Sox and stop bitching and crying about having to play them.
Cubs-White Sox Announcement? - Butcher - 04-30-2010
<!--quoteo(post=93970:date=Apr 30 2010, 04:46 PM:name=PcB)-->QUOTE (PcB @ Apr 30 2010, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->We played Cleveland who had a 65-97 record last year. The Cards played the Royals who had a 65-97 record last year.
We played the Sox who had a 79-83 record last year. The Cards played Minnesota who had an 87-76 record last year.
Seems fair to me.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Usually we play the Sox 6 times a year. They are nearly always better than the Royals.
Usually the Cards play the Royals 6 times a year. They are nearly always the worst team in the AL Central.
The other interleague games are different every year -- you can't just pick out the ones that had similar records in order to try and make your illogical point logical.
I feel like I'm going to have to draw a picture soon...
Let me quote from Wikipedia:
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->The "rivalry" series that consist of six games a year for some teams leads to further scheduling inequities. For example, the Chicago Cubs play the recently good Chicago White Sox six times a year, while their division rival St. Louis Cardinals play the recently poor Kansas City Royals six times a year.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Here's a picture that illustrates an unfair matchup:
![[Image: unfair%202.jpg]](http://www.gapnap.com/wp-content/uploads/Nov%202009/Competition%20Unfair/unfair%202.jpg)
Should I compose a song about it that is sung to a Lady Gaga tune?
Cubs-White Sox Announcement? - vegascub - 04-30-2010
BP is fucking up the gulf coast with a giant oil spill, AND they get their name on the crosstown trophy. What a fucking week for them!
Cubs-White Sox Announcement? - Destined - 04-30-2010
The Cubs and Cards had the same Interleague schedule last season, but the Sox & Royals series. The schedules are balanced as they can be, and they can't be truly fair across the board unless we home & home with the whole NL. I think the schedule makers do a great job having so few differences over the course of 162 games. I'm with PcB on this.
Cubs-White Sox Announcement? - PcB - 04-30-2010
<!--quoteo(post=93972:date=Apr 30 2010, 04:55 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 30 2010, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93970:date=Apr 30 2010, 04:46 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Apr 30 2010, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->We played Cleveland who had a 65-97 record last year. The Cards played the Royals who had a 65-97 record last year.
We played the Sox who had a 79-83 record last year. The Cards played Minnesota who had an 87-76 record last year.
Seems fair to me.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Usually we play the Sox 6 times a year. They are nearly always better than the Royals.
Usually the Cards play the Royals 6 times a year. They are nearly always the worst team in the AL Central.
The other interleague games are different every year -- you can't just pick out the ones that had similar records in order to try and make your illogical point logical.
I feel like I'm going to have to draw a picture soon...
Let me quote from Wikipedia:
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->The "rivalry" series that consist of six games a year for some teams leads to further scheduling inequities. For example, the Chicago Cubs play the recently good Chicago White Sox six times a year, while their division rival St. Louis Cardinals play the recently poor Kansas City Royals six times a year.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Here's a picture that illustrates an unfair matchup:
Should I compose a song about it that is sung to a Lady Gaga tune?
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I think a rational person arguing with a person with an irrational hatred is an unfair matchup.
Cubs-White Sox Announcement? - jstraw - 04-30-2010
I really don't think there is any legitimate argument to be made based on whether any team is better or worse than any other team, since that changes over time. The rules regarding inter-league play need to be utterly dispassionate and unconcerned with who's good and who's bad. There is simply no reason for the Cubs to play the Sox with more frequency than they play other AL teams. Gaming the schedules to exploit rivalries is just the wrong thing to do.
Another upshot of how this is wrong is this; I'd love to drive to KC to see the Cubs play but I'm waiting years for that opportunity because the Royals already play a ridiculous number of games against another team in the NL Central. I think the Cubs ought to come to KC exactly as often as the Cardinals do.
Cubs-White Sox Announcement? - Butcher - 04-30-2010
<!--quoteo(post=93974:date=Apr 30 2010, 05:01 PM:name=Destined)-->QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 30 2010, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The Cubs and Cards had the same Interleague schedule last season, <b>but the Sox & Royals series.</b> The schedules are balanced as they can be, and they can't be truly fair across the board unless we home & home with the whole NL. I think the schedule makers do a great job having so few differences over the course of 162 games. I'm with PcB on this.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And that's why it's absolute horseshit -- right there.
Cubs-White Sox Announcement? - Butcher - 04-30-2010
<!--quoteo(post=93975:date=Apr 30 2010, 05:01 PM:name=PcB)-->QUOTE (PcB @ Apr 30 2010, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93972:date=Apr 30 2010, 04:55 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 30 2010, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93970:date=Apr 30 2010, 04:46 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Apr 30 2010, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->We played Cleveland who had a 65-97 record last year. The Cards played the Royals who had a 65-97 record last year.
We played the Sox who had a 79-83 record last year. The Cards played Minnesota who had an 87-76 record last year.
Seems fair to me.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Usually we play the Sox 6 times a year. They are nearly always better than the Royals.
Usually the Cards play the Royals 6 times a year. They are nearly always the worst team in the AL Central.
The other interleague games are different every year -- you can't just pick out the ones that had similar records in order to try and make your illogical point logical.
I feel like I'm going to have to draw a picture soon...
Let me quote from Wikipedia:
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->The "rivalry" series that consist of six games a year for some teams leads to further scheduling inequities. For example, the Chicago Cubs play the recently good Chicago White Sox six times a year, while their division rival St. Louis Cardinals play the recently poor Kansas City Royals six times a year.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Here's a picture that illustrates an unfair matchup:
Should I compose a song about it that is sung to a Lady Gaga tune?
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I think a rational person arguing with a person with an irrational hatred is an unfair matchup.
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What does hating the White Sox have to do with this argument?
Cubs-White Sox Announcement? - PcB - 04-30-2010
<!--quoteo(post=93978:date=Apr 30 2010, 05:06 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 30 2010, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93975:date=Apr 30 2010, 05:01 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Apr 30 2010, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93972:date=Apr 30 2010, 04:55 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 30 2010, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93970:date=Apr 30 2010, 04:46 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Apr 30 2010, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->We played Cleveland who had a 65-97 record last year. The Cards played the Royals who had a 65-97 record last year.
We played the Sox who had a 79-83 record last year. The Cards played Minnesota who had an 87-76 record last year.
Seems fair to me.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Usually we play the Sox 6 times a year. They are nearly always better than the Royals.
Usually the Cards play the Royals 6 times a year. They are nearly always the worst team in the AL Central.
The other interleague games are different every year -- you can't just pick out the ones that had similar records in order to try and make your illogical point logical.
I feel like I'm going to have to draw a picture soon...
Let me quote from Wikipedia:
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->The "rivalry" series that consist of six games a year for some teams leads to further scheduling inequities. For example, the Chicago Cubs play the recently good Chicago White Sox six times a year, while their division rival St. Louis Cardinals play the recently poor Kansas City Royals six times a year.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Here's a picture that illustrates an unfair matchup:
Should I compose a song about it that is sung to a Lady Gaga tune?
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I think a rational person arguing with a person with an irrational hatred is an unfair matchup.
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What does hating the White Sox have to do with this argument?
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When discussing anything that has to do with the White Sox you are immediately biased. I'm 100% positive you wouldn't give half the shit that you currently do if the team we played every year instead of the Sox was the Rangers.
Cubs-White Sox Announcement? - Butcher - 04-30-2010
Let me switch it up for you, PcB.
Let's say the Royals became a perennial contender and the Sox because perennial cellar dwellers in a few years.
Cardinals fans would be pissed that they would have to play the Royals 6 times a year while we feasted on the White Sox. And they would be right -- it would still be bullshit.
Cubs-White Sox Announcement? - ruby23 - 04-30-2010
<!--quoteo(post=93977:date=Apr 30 2010, 05:05 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 30 2010, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93974:date=Apr 30 2010, 05:01 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 30 2010, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The Cubs and Cards had the same Interleague schedule last season, <b>but the Sox & Royals series.</b> The schedules are balanced as they can be, and they can't be truly fair across the board unless we home & home with the whole NL. I think the schedule makers do a great job having so few differences over the course of 162 games. I'm with PcB on this.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And that's why it's absolute horseshit -- right there.
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It's not really. There are 162 games in a season, the Cubs and Cards have the exact same schedule for over 90% of those games. In any professional or collegiate sport, the MLB has the most balanced schedules for same division teams by a long shot.
Cubs-White Sox Announcement? - veryzer - 04-30-2010
I'm with Butcher on this one.
Cubs-White Sox Announcement? - MrSheps - 04-30-2010
<!--quoteo(post=93970:date=Apr 30 2010, 02:46 PM:name=PcB)-->QUOTE (PcB @ Apr 30 2010, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->We played Cleveland who had a 65-97 record last year. The Cards played the Royals who had a 65-97 record last year.
We played the Sox who had a 79-83 record last year. The Cards played Minnesota who had an 87-76 record last year.
Seems fair to me.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I just wanted to highlight this again, because everyone keeps saying that they have the same schedule minus the Sox/KC thing, and that isn't the case. Not with interleague or in the NL.
Again though, I don't like playing the Sox 6 times and Cards playing the Royals 6, you gotta figure that usually means you'll end up with a tougher schedule overall, but it didn't last year. But, you also have to remember that every three years the cards have the chance of playing the Sox and we have the chance of playing the Royals, thus possibly negating 3 of the games. Beyond that, it is possible for the Sox to be worse than KC too, but we haven't seen that much recently.
I'd still be a fan of the Cubs and Sox playing three a year instead of 6, but the added difficulty is probably at least partially in our heads.